I talked to 3 Protestants on a space last night and got 3 different answers concerning a very simple question:
Was Jesus the last Prophet?
3 problems with this…
1. Christianity isn’t consistent.
2. That’s the exact same claim of Muhammad in Islam.
3. God’s done speaking
Jesus said it himself, he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel. Not the world. So where did the idea of a global mission come from? That is where Muhammad comes in with the final message for all mankind.
God judges. It is His creation.And Jesus was not absent in the Old Testament. Jesus as the Word was present — He just was not incarnate yet. John 1 says the Word was God, and all things were made by Him. So this is not “Old Testament God vs New Testament Jesus.” That is not the Christian claim. Same God. Same creation. Same authority. Same right to judge. And yes, part of what believers are tasked to do is warn. Noah warned his generation, and they mocked until judgment came. That is the pattern: warning, mocking, patience, then judgment. Judgment is not some foreign concept either. Air, water, earth, food, love, laughter, tears, regret, happiness, fear, rage — all of that is part of life. Judgment is too. Everybody judges. Courts judge. Parents judge. Governments judge. You judge right from wrong every day.
So why is judgment only a problem when God does it?
Nonbelievers always say there is no evidence, but judgment itself is evidence. The moment judgment points to a moral Judge, suddenly that evidence “doesn’t count.”
Christians say Jesus is God. Agreed.
So they should also agree the same Jesus they worship is the one associated with flooding the earth, destroying cities, sending plagues, killing firstborns, and wiping out nations.
Same Jesus, right?
So why does the New Testament Jesus look completely different, calm, forgiving, and peaceful?
What changed?
Was justice different back then… or is it our interpretation of God that shifts across scripture?
Because the contrast is massive.
And even the God of the Qur’an is consistently described with justice and mercy, without that kind of extreme shift in tone.
That was beautiful.. I'm sure i'm wrong for thinking that , but the honesty and clarity especially from you is refreshing. Why not just drop that religion, You are better than your prophet in morality that's sorta terrible. How did you become Islamic ? or are you still trolling..
No one hears "Jesus" and immediately thinks violence.
No one worries that quoting the Bible might be a call to attack someone.
No one fears Christians are about to blow themselves up in the name of Christ.
I wish I could honestly say the same about my religion. 😔
Paul answered that himself.
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV says the gospel is that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, was buried, and rose again the third day according to the scriptures.
In Galatians, the deviation was adding something to that gospel and making it necessary — circumcision, law-keeping, and another system of righteousness.
So no, the gospel is not unclear because people spent 2000 years complicating it.
That’s the move I’m talking about. Take the plain thing, bury it under “well Christians disagree,” then act like nobody can know anything.
Paul knew what the gospel was. He preached it plainly. The confusion comes when men start adding to it.
@Scripture52@Primary_Pianist So what did Paul teach that people were deviating from?
What exactly is the Gospel?
Isn't that the question Christians have been asking for 2000 years?
How many answers have we come up with using exactly the same text?
Evangelical: Galatians 1:8 proves Mormonism is false.
Mormon: What was the problem in Galatia?
Evangelical: Mormonism.
Mormon: Mormonism didn't exist.
Evangelical: Exactly.
Mormon: What was Paul actually talking about?
Evangelical: That's not important.
Mormon: Then why did you quote the chapter?
Thanks for being honest on the century thing. That happens.
But saying “false Trinity doctrine violates Jesus” is still just an assertion until you show the verse.
Matthew 3 showing Father, Son, and Holy Ghost distinct does not refute the Trinity. Trinitarians already believe they are distinct persons.
The question is where the Bible teaches three separate embodied divine beings united only in purpose.
Because John 10:30 still says, “I and my Father are one.”
John 1:1 still says, “the Word was God.”
John 14:9 still says, “he that hath seen me hath seen the Father.”
So no, this is not me refusing to read the verses. This is me refusing to let LDS doctrine get smuggled into them.
@Scripture52@Mormonger You obviously didn't read the verses in the Bible... And yeah, I messed up on the 4th century versus 3rd Century thing... Doesn't change the fact that the false trinity doctrine violates the teachings of Jesus Christ in the Bible.
10+ years ago I lost my faith in God
I thought believers were either lying to themselves or just low IQ
It took time to escape this uncharitable way of seeing them
Now the "Mormons aren't Christians" crowd is begging me to reconsider
Thanks for being honest on the century thing. That happens.
But saying “false Trinity doctrine violates Jesus” is still just an assertion until you show the verse.
Matthew 3 showing Father, Son, and Holy Ghost distinct does not refute the Trinity. Trinitarians already believe they are distinct persons.
The question is where the Bible teaches three separate embodied divine beings united only in purpose.
Because John 10:30 still says, “I and my Father are one.”
John 1:1 still says, “the Word was God.”
John 14:9 still says, “he that hath seen me hath seen the Father.”
So no, this is not me refusing to read the verses. This is me refusing to let LDS doctrine get smuggled into them.
To all the people just tuning in:
Hi. I’m Josiah. I’m a Messianic Jew, which means I’m a Jew who believes that Yeshua (Jesus) is the Messiah.
Yes, I’m really Jewish.
Yes, I really do love Jesus.
No, the two aren’t incompatible, and I don’t stop being Jewish when I believe in Yeshua.
Yes, it’s not unheard of for Jews to follow Yeshua, just like how all the apostles were Jewish followers of Yeshua, along with tens of thousands more Jewish believers (Acts 21:20). Messianic Jews like me are still around, and I bet even more Jewish believers will make an appearance in the comments.
No, God has not ended His covenant relationship with the people of Israel (the Jewish ethnicity)—I’m evidence of that fact, because God always preserves a remnant (Romans 11:1).
No, I don’t believe that Jews automatically go to Heaven; the only way to salvation for Jew and Gentile alike is through faith in Yeshua, not through ethnicity or good works.
Feel free to ask me if you have more questions!
Shalom, peoples.