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@49ers_Access I think the bigger thing is asking and identifies the whys. It wasnt lack of physical ability.

Same trap people fell into with Keon Coleman and maybe even Chris Brazzell this year

It was for the same reasons I just stated.....the thing is, the 49ers knew other teams saw the same pass drills, talked to the same people and they were won over that he could be an every down back and be able to be a bell cow(Lynch mentioned these two things, specifically). That means they had to believe at least one or more other teams were assuaged as well. That's why they grabbed him in the 3rd.

@SulligentHUB He wasn't even invited to the combine

People do need some context to this. His receiving ability - or questions about it, is the 1st, 2nd and 3rd reasons why Kaelon Black was considered a reach. It's not his skill as a RB. Evals pinned him as only a 1st and 2nd down back. IF...IF a team felt he had the receiving ability traits to be an every down back, the running ability put him squarely in the top 5 of RB's in this class.

@AlSacco49 Here's all his pass 1v1 reps and some bag drills from the sr bowl: x.com/SulligentHUB/s…

Black had 44 catches in 2022-23 at James Madison. Indiana just didn’t throw much to their backs. Their top 4 RBs had 23 catches combined last season. I think #49ers would use that skill set more if/when he gets on the field. He’s also a terrific blocker.

@pluffyphil That's what I've been saying about the 2024 and 2025 picks yet people are lumping those in with the 2022 and 2023 classes as "fails".

@SulligentHUB Injuries wrecked a lot of these draft prospects too. Drake Jackson showed promise getting 3 sacks against the Steelers, but gets injured and is never the same. J’ayir Brown picked off Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl. He gets injured and is never the same. And many more

"The 49ers 2021 draft was awful!" I've seen this get lumped in with 2022 and 2023. The Trey Lance pick was turrible. Bad. Awful. Outside of that, they picked Aaron Banks who left and was paid top-5 guard money - at the time. Talanoa Hufanga left after being an all-pro and was signed as a top-10 paid safety, at the time. Deommodore Lenoir was given a big 2nd contract by the organization - one many of the same people lauded at the time because they finally got ahead of a contract negotiation and signing for value. 3 big-time 2nd contract guys picked in the 2nd, 5th and 5th rounds - all players who contributed big-time significant snaps on a team that went to 2 NFCCG's and a SB while they were playing. 2 were let go, not because of lack of talent, but because there were too many mouths to feed because the team had so much talent. Let's not revisionist this stuff.

This is such a horrible take given that nearly every front office has had turnover over the past 9 years except for a handful of teams and one of those are the 49ers. Why? Because they keep winning and putting together competing teams.

I'm not saying that about 2022 and 2023. Those draft were not good and they didn't have a first round pick in either one. My thing with what you're saying is then you're assuming Pearsall and Mykel are misses. From what we've seen, it's been injury not skill or traits that have kept them from being hits.

@SulligentHUB So you’ve made the point that since 2021 they can draft well at the end of the the draft, where “consensus” really isn’t a thing. In the first 4 rounds, they’ve been terrible and would have been significantly better if they stayed closer to consensus.

People can hate on the Kaelon Black pick but I love the kid p2. 2. He's a physical pass protector who should be able to step in early because of this.

People can hate on the Kaelon Black pick but I love the kid pt. 1 seemed like every time he got the ball in his hands against Maryland it took half the team to get him on the ground.

Only pushback I have is on the Banks pick. Was considered a reach and he went ahead of two IOL that are currently considered best at their position in Meinerz/Humphrey While he did get paid, I thought he was worthy of being benched in his final year with Niners and Packers immediately regret giving him that contract

@gapswagg Name an all-pro player drafted under Mike MacDonald in Seattle.

@SulligentHUB name all-pros drafted by lynch if he such a god

I'm not handwaving it away - I felt it was the worst decision they made. I was very vocal at the time that I wanted them to stay where they were and target Patrick Surtain. I said it many, many, many times. We also can't act like they totally bombed that draft. There is no small amount of irony that many of the same people who were posting "I'm So excited!!!!" when Lance's name was announced are the same people who are taking a King Kong sized dump on the 9ers front office.

@SulligentHUB You can’t just handwave away the trey Lance trade and pick tho Went to 2 nfccgs and a Super Bowl like you said but didn’t get a ring, if they actually got value out of their first rounders those years they prob would have won a Super Bowl or two

My point is - the basis of your argument is flawed because it creates circular logic without the insertion of the actual results. Otherwise, it is purely speculative. We can't separate results from the equation because the results justify or don't justify the diversion from the mean averages. Just planting a flag on mean averages as a successful route doesn't prove or disprove a theory regarding what has actually happened. You're also relying on external data points for measuring success or failure. Success or failure needs to be measured within the equation and from specific examples to examine a specific team. If another evaluator is claiming Mykel Williams or Alfred Collins or Nick Martin as faulty approaches at this point, then it's not data I would consider quality.

I’ll try to explain again from scratch so maybe we can get on the same page. I’m talking about process and probabilities and you’re talking about results. Results we can’t control so I’m only focusing on the process and getting higher hit probabilities. Just give me some time because it will be a long post.

Acabou a lenda que o Stribling não foi reach

@4evrnyt Then how do you determine if players are successful? popularity contests like pro-bowls? PFF grades? If a guy gets paid top-5, does that not tell you that there had to have been a bidding war?

@SulligentHUB Another team awarding a player a lucrative contract doesnt mean the player was deserving of it.

He wasn't meant to be a full-time starter. Remember, they had Armstead to play base downs. He was meant to be the Dee Ford, now Romello Height role. Pass rusher. It was the injuries that derailed his career, not inability. If you look at the 2022 draft, Nik Bonitto was picked a couple spots later, so there's an argument there, definitely, but after that, there were no other productive pass rushers at DE for the next 3 rounds. The problem for Jackson is we don't know what he could've been because of the injuries, so it's all moot.

@SulligentHUB Sure injuries were a part of it but even early not sure he was best option in the second which was your first pick. Would he have been a good starter if healthy? I am not sure but I also am not smart or paid to know that stuff

This doesn't adequately explain it. If teams are looking at the 49ers and saying, "they really don't draft well but they're still winning" they would grab coaches and no personnel people. Instead, they're grabbing both. Just this past off-season 3 of the 49ers front office personnel had deep interviews for promotions to other teams.

@SulligentHUB While it’s a fair point, Im not sure this is the strongest argument. Teams want to poach from winning FOs and coaching staffs. That patriots coaches and FO people were poached for years, to almost no success elsewhere. 49ers FO people hired away have mostly been fired.

If the 49ers front office is so aloof to what succeeds in the leage and so bad at drafting players, why have so many teams poached so many front office people from the 49ers? These 2 things cannot be true at the same time.

@Coach_Yac Yeah, I don't get this criticism. What does he want? Brock to post it all over social media his daily workout schedule with his teammates? Assumes facts not in evidence. There's no evidence Brock isn't doing this.

Brock Purdy said he’ll look to get work in with Mike Evans, Christian Kirk and all the young receivers after minicamp. He also worked with Pearsall and Cowing last offseason

@KenageShadow The irony of this whole thing is, so many of the same people who are carrying torches and pitchforks right now, were SOOOO excited when Trey Lance's name was called.

@SulligentHUB The issue of looking at the 22 & 23 drafts is they were heavily compromised by the Lance & CMC moves

@KenageShadow Drake Jackson was 2022..... Also, he turned out to be a bad pick -why? The why is important.

@SulligentHUB Also Drake Jackson turned out to be a bad pick