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@hashimiyy_ @frossfross1 جزاك الله خيرا

Ibadi model to Ash’ari model on free will is identical. They affirm Kalam Nafsi as well. The difference between the two views is semantical. Zaydis often quite literally claim Abu Hanifah as Zaydi. Less deterministic views on free-will. Zaydis only do tabdi’ of Maturids, compared to their takfir of Ash’aris. Zaydis are better on the issues of companions, which makes me like their beliefs more. Interacting with Ibadis is probably more pleasant since they consider us Ash’aris as “Muslims” For example, Ibadis are divided of whether Uthman and ‘Ali did kufr ni’mah or shirk. Zaydis are divided on whether Uthman was sinfulness reached fisq, which is basically kufr ni’mah. In general, they support him being dethroned, but are not necessarily in agreement with the execution. (Kufr ni’mah = Sinful Ibadis and non-Ibadi Muslim who commits major sins. They have the legal rulings of a Muslim, etc.) (Shirk = what we normally know as major kufr + shirk)

During my study of Ibadism, I came across an interesting poem by the prominent Ibāḍī scholar Abū Muslim al-Rawāḥī, in which he harshly criticizes the Ashʿarites for affirming the ruʾyah (the beatific vision of Allah). I will post the translation below. [1/3]

@hashimiyy_ @frossfross1 Interesting, how come?

@funfire5 @frossfross1 If you’re an Ash’ari, then Ibadis. If you’re a Maturidi, then Zaydis.

رحمه الله. محدث عصره

Life was simpler when I only knew of this man as a good reciter and nothing else. Alas, God wanted to give us another example of a donkey carrying books.

@ZouhairsMurid Kindly tell me how correct you think al Kashmiri’s view on Sifat Fi’liyyah is, alleged Ash’ari :)

"My sheikh doesn't make mistakes but al Kashmiri does" Since he can't find mistakes with his sheikh I will: -Taking him as a student -not beating him up despite having the authority to do so

@Simsimiyyah @ZouhairsMurid Get your buddy to stop replying for every tweet directed at you, Simsim al Genuis

@ZouhairsMurid أيوااااا

@Simsimiyyah @amuseingtime @oharalq My shaykh isn’t an authority, but I have, not once, seen him stray from the Madhab, unlike Allamah Kashmiri who is well known for sometimes holding views contrary to the madhab.

@amuseingtime @funfire5 @oharalq @amuseingtime Anwar Shah Kashmiri is not an authority in the Ḥanafī maḏhhab but his teacher is.

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@amuseingtime You guys are asking the same question 10 times just worded slightly differently. The answer remains the same.

'So and so has done an act of kufr, dont pray behind him, your marriage is invalid, his meat is halal, dont socialise with him or make dua for him after he dies' [so we call him a murtad but soften our words?]

@amuseingtime @Simsimiyyah @oharalq I’ll look into the book inshaAllah, but Allamah Kashmiri رحمه الله isn’t an authoritative scholar in the Hanafi madhab so this can’t be considered the madhab’s view, he has tafarrudat in Fiqh and even in Aqidah, he affirms Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah’s view on Sifat fi’liyyah for ex.

@funfire5 @Simsimiyyah @oharalq Requiring a qadhi to declare someone a kafir isn't a hanafi requirement. You can read ikfar almulhideen by Anwar shah kashmiri.

@oharalq @Simsimiyyah @StudentOfAhmad No because there could be barriers to takfir in many cases, the kufr of Qadiyanis isn't like this

@funfire5 @Simsimiyyah @StudentOfAhmad Wait so on issues where the disbelief is a clear matter, which the muslims have all agreed on is kufr which takes one out of ʾIslām, then anyone who holds this belief you can takfīr as a laymen yes?

@Simsimiyyah @oharalq You mean Hanafis are?

@funfire5 @oharalq You’re from the ghulat of the murji’ah.

@Simsimiyyah @oharalq By witnessing clear kufr from someone, you'd say "so and so has done such act, so don't pray behind him or eat his slaughter", but not actually using the word kafir or murtad.

@funfire5 @oharalq How do you assign the ahkam of a kāfir on someone without calling them a kāfir?

@Simsimiyyah @oharalq Has anyone ever told you how kind and humble you are?

@funfire5 @oharalq And you’re ghayr mukallaf if I’m giving you max husn al-dhann.

@oharalq @Simsimiyyah Y'all put salafi ghair muqallids to shame lol good job

@funfire5 @Simsimiyyah we dont care dude whoever has your view does not understand this religion

@Simsimiyyah @oharalq I don't see what's so hard to understand about this. Literally ask any Hanafi aalim, I learned this myself in a dars

@funfire5 @oharalq Ahhh, yes. So we don’t takfīr the individual, despite the clear kufr, but he takes all the ahkam of a kāfir in the Dunya? But we can’t call him a kāfir?

@oharalq @Simsimiyyah @StudentOfAhmad There is Ijma on the Qadiyani sect being outside of Islam, anyone claiming to be a part of that sect wasn't even Muslim in the first place

@funfire5 @Simsimiyyah @StudentOfAhmad Wait so I thought laymen weren’t allowed to label people who claim ʾIslām to be kuffār?

@Simsimiyyah @oharalq You really need to start studying fiqh instead of spending your days takfiring lol

@funfire5 @oharalq

@oharalq @Simsimiyyah @StudentOfAhmad No, he's definitely a kafir lol. I knew you'd try to use this lame argument 😂

@funfire5 @Simsimiyyah Really? Can you let us know that according to you @StudentOfAhmad is someone you *don’t* label a kāfir, you refuse to do this yes?

@oharalq @Simsimiyyah You don't call a specific individual kafir, but like I said if you see kufr from someone you'd still treat them like a Kafir in all the ahkam shari'iyyah

@funfire5 @Simsimiyyah Really? So I can’t takfir anyone who claims ʾIslām? I can’t deem them a disbeliever?