Andy C
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@jchasedavis True, but it is helpful when we can trust that our pastors won’t hang us out to dry.
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@longshort241 @Eric_Conn That’s a good point. I don’t know. It’s hard to reconcile our responsibility with God’s sovereignty, but passages like Proverbs 22:6 and Titus 1:6 seem to imply that we do have some responsibility, even though the Lord actually does the saving.
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@AndyC4God @Eric_Conn "Where he went wrong"... this implies that we as parents have ultimate deterministic power over our childrens salvation? That it is not the Lord who calls, but rather the Lord is shackled to save my kids unless I parent in the perfect way?
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Can we discuss the fact that John Piper’s one son pastors at Allberry’s gay church, and the other is a famous Reddit-tier social media God-hater?

Protestia@Protestia
Breaking: Sam Allberry has resigned as pastor after revealing he'd been involved in an "innapropriate relationship" with another man several years ago. Notably, Sam was one of the architects for the acceptance of Same-Sex Attraction Christianity (SSAC) whose false beliefs include: -Same-sex attraction is never a result of early childhood abuse and is always unchosen. Same-sex attraction only becomes sin if it is acted upon. -Homosexual acts are no different than other sins. -Christian regeneration has no influence over same-sex desire. -The church is guilty of oppressing this group instead of helping them bear their cross of unchangeable same-sex attraction
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@waitbutwhy We should try this experiment in real life, but, instead of death, Blue just loses voting rights for ten years.
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@SpecterAndBride -Travel sports
-Public schools
-Freedom of (other) religions
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@LogoSimian In Revelation 2:28, Christ promises His followers the “morning star.” That has a symbolic meaning, but I think it is also literal. We will build floating cities on the morning star (i.e. Venus) for God’s eternal glory.
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There is a hypothesis that Adam, had he not sinned, would have been charged with turning Earth, a wilderness, into a garden akin to Eden. It certainly comports with his post-fall commission "fill the earth and subdue it."
I think the fact that Mars and Venus are wildernesses that are harder to garden than Arizona or Antarctica by an order of magnitude or two -- but only by an order of magnitude or two,-- comports with this hypothesis, and with the Adamic charge.
Now, we are fallen, so who knows how well we can or will succeed. But it looks to me like our immediate cosmic neighborhood has steps up in difficulty like a well-designed videogame.
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@sola_chad @AmyInCheeseLand I think part of the problem is that we only apply it to pastors and ignore every other circumstance where women teach or have authority over men.
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@AmyInCheeseLand Can’t imagine why 1 Timothy 2:12 seems so ambiguous to some people
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@ta293766 @SpecterAndBride Infants and preborn have many limitations, but “with God all things are possible,” and “out of the mouths of babies and infants, [He has] prepared praise.”
Any sinner’s true faith is a miraculous gift from God, and neither our spiritual nor physical inability limits Him.
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@AndyC4God @SpecterAndBride Preborn cannot accept anything they have not yet developed the mental faculties to accept or deny anything. John the Baptist was spirit-filled in his Mothers womb. You must announce Christ as Lord to enter Heaven.
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@Forumshopper12 @mattmaestas @BenSchettler @WillyRice Yes, a more accurate statement would be “NAMB *indirectly* pays for hundreds of church planters to attend,” but his implications that they 1) have a conflict of interest and 2) are over represented (every year but especially in a place like Anaheim) are valid.
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@AndyC4God @mattmaestas @BenSchettler @WillyRice Of course money is fungible. My point is if you say "NAMB flys in and pays for hundreds of church planters" people are going to think NAMB bought you an airplane ticket and paid for your lodging to go to a conference. This is what Ben wants you to think. Which is simply not true
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@Forumshopper12 @mattmaestas @BenSchettler @WillyRice Again, there is not necessarily anything wrong with that (and to the point: I want NAMB church planters at the SBC), but we need to at least recognize the conflict of interest.
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@Forumshopper12 @mattmaestas @BenSchettler @WillyRice Those weren’t my words, but they are “truthful and accurate;” it is called the fungibility of money.
The analogy only works if Church X encourages (explicitly or implicitly) your attendance and you have the opportunity at the conference to vote in your and Church X’s interests.
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@mattmaestas @BenSchettler @WillyRice If your church is a net recipient of NAMB dollars, then, in effect, NAMB is paying for your trip. There’s not necessarily anything wrong with that, but anyone in that position should at least be cognizant of their conflicted interests.
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@BenSchettler @WillyRice This simply isn’t true brother! I served with NAMB for over a decade and we never once paid for hundreds of planters to attend a convention. Even us NAMB fully funded missionaries only came on a limited basis.
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@JeffIsenor @SpecterAndBride “God told us not to” is moral argument enough, but I see your point, and I think this is why God left the Bible vague on this issue.
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@SpecterAndBride If your answer is 'yes', what is the moral argument against abortion?
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@ta293766 @SpecterAndBride One possibility is that some infants can “accept Jesus;” preborn John the Baptist did.
Also, if we are to have “faith like a child,” then children can have faith.
But, you’re right that, if we’re claiming there is salvation apart from “grace through faith,” then we’re wrong.
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@SpecterAndBride I thought everyone had to accept Jesus to make it into Heaven? So, that’s not true and infants don’t have to accept Christ. So, is Christ the liar or are we reading our opinion into the Bible?
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@SpecterAndBride My intuition is yes, but I don’t think the Bible is explicit. My guess is that God doesn’t tell us, so that we won’t become lax on opposing abortion. I do think the Bible very strongly implies that the children of believers, at least, are elect.
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@AnalogRules61 @SpecterAndBride Yes, I agree, and I think that is one of many good arguments for why we probably shouldn’t take the Lord’s Supper apart from corporate worship.
On the other hand, I’m not aware of any absolute commands in Scripture to that effect.
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@AbolitionistFAA Do any of them pretend to be Christians? If so, what churches are they a part of?
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‼️ Meet the Republican lawmakers responsible for keeping abortion LEGAL in Tennessee.
House Bill 570, which would have provided equal protection of the laws to preborn babies, DIED yesterday in the Tennessee House Population Health Subcommittee, because not a SINGLE Republican was willing to make a motion to hear the legislation.
The following Republican lawmakers ALLOWED House Bill 570 to fail without a hearing:
Michele Carringer
John Gillespie
Esther Helton-Haynes
Sabi Kumar
Iris Rudder
Paul Sherrell
Ron Travis
Bryan Terry
As a result, abortion will remain legal in Tennessee for at least another year, and countless THOUSANDS of Tennessee preborn babies made in the image of God will be MURDERED.

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