Jonathan Martin ☦️

@Degenwillape Or was it? How can we know?

Not ex cathedra tho

@ProvisionistP Both of you are wrong. Scripture itself says to submit to the church authority. So whoever the bishop is in your area, that is what we are called to submit to. Due to schisms and areas having many bishops, pick the one you think makes the most sense historically and stay there.

Every. Single. Time. Why can’t y’all just agree all Christians should submit to God’s Word and that you are following it? (We all know the answer, don’t we?)

@whpub So you're Orthodox then, right?

Why should I submit to the “successors of the apostles” in Rome when the actual successors to the apostles everywhere else didn’t submit to the “successors of the apostles” in Rome? When Polycarp of Smyrna visited bishop Anicetus of Rome, “Pope” Anicetus was unable to persuade Polycarp to change the Eucharistic practices he had received from John and the other apostles. And out of respect, Anicetus deferred to Polycarp. (Eusebius, Church History 5.24.16). When a Spanish congregation asked Cyprian of Carthage’s advice on “Pope” Stephen’s intervention in Spanish episcopal affairs, Cyprian wrote back to Spain telling them that Stephen could be ignored because he was deceived and didn’t know what he was talking about (Cyprian, epistle 67). When Stephen tried to impose is views on baptism on the eastern bishops, Fermilian of Caesarea wrote to Cyprian of Carthage complaining that “they who are at Rome … vainly pretend the authority of the apostles” (to Cyprian, epistle 74). So, yeah, I follow in the great footsteps of the successors of the apostles by ignoring the nonsense that comes out of Rome.

@redeemed_zoomer You get my family as of this year...lol

What do you get when you cross an Evangelical with an Eastern Orthodox? A guy who says the rapture is a week later than everyone else says

@Bmoneykingman94 @HabitualLinest Well then most priests suck at their job because most RC's I've ever met think that they are saved because they go to confession at least once a year.

@JM_Database @HabitualLinest Your friend is mistaken. The Catholic Church teaches that if you die with the intention to have your sins forgiven God will forgive your sins as he knows your heart. Even if you are on a desert Island and can not go to confession you can still pray and God will forgive you.

This is a very common tactic by Protestants. Notice the subtlety of the deceit. 1. The last sentence is Scriptural. It's proclaimed by the Catholic Church as well. No one argues that. 2. The first sentence is just his opinion. See how he adds his opinions to Scripture and then pretends his opinions are actually Scripture? 3. His opinion about salvation in the sacraments is objectively wrong as Scripture states. Yet he pretends it's not 4. His opinion about priests is agreed to by the Catholic Church. No one argues that. See how he includes things that no one even disagrees with? What he's trying to do is take ANY disagreement at all, as proof that Catholics believe salvation comes from priests. He's intentionally trying to bear false witness 5. Same with the salvation by works. Now perhaps Protestants of good will should think long and hard about why deceit is necessary if they have the truth? 🤔

@Cary_Bleasdale @HabitualLinest Dang guys I've literally never seen my notifications be at 20+ ever until now lol.

@HabitualLinest @JM_Database I'm sure they do, my point is they're saying this is some a reference to some odd super-sin, not drawing the distiction between mortal and venial. I mean, cmon, lets be real, this is one of the weirdest and most confusing passages of scripture, you really wanna lean on this?

@HabitualLinest I'm kinda tired of hearing that EO is just RC but without the pope because it couldn't be further from the truth. We have a totally different view of what Grace is, and it affects most of our theology downstream, including confession.

@JM_Database Then your friend is ignorant. You could have easily talked him through this error. Orthodox have the same beliefs on Confession as we do. God will not damn someone to hell who is on their way to Confession and dies.

@itsmorganariel You're completely ignoring the Orthodox Church, which also was fighting Rome's corruptions.

Christianity was perverted at the time of the schism. Catholicism led to Protestantism. If the church never split there wouldn’t be hundreds of different denominations in Christianity today.

@quantumking_ @CassyIsCatholic I don't see complaining about them on X as helping them, but to each their own.

@JM_Database @CassyIsCatholic If we truly love our neighbor we should have the courage to say that they should not receive the body of Christ, to remain silent on such a critical matter is not what "judge not" means

Few things piss me off more than watching people who clearly have not been to Mass since Christmas going up and receiving communion. 😡

@Truth_matters20 I'm not sure if that is an official RC teaching or not, but either way, you'd never hear something like this in Orthodoxy. Mary points us to Christ, never as her own independent source of salvation.

I feel like Catholics parody themselves at times.

@Taylor_A_Eaton Ah yes, keep pointing them to your authority to interpret.

The best way to refute Roman Catholicism? Just smile and continue to point them to the Bible (the actual authority, whether it’s recognized or not).

@Stephen_Angliss He was in Hades bringing His people out of there and into Paradise. So no, He was not literally in the lake of fire, nor was He suffering at all in Hades, but this is what it was referring to.

Your annual reminder that, no, Jesus was not in Hell between Friday and Sunday—despite what the Apostle’s Creed says. This is a great example of the danger of over emphasizing creeds and confessionals. It results in a theology that is shaped by tradition instead of Scripture.

@HarkBog @redeemed_zoomer This video was totally hilarious lol

@redeemed_zoomer "Another Catholic sacrament is converting to Eastern Orthodoxy." 🤣

@IndianaBrunner Oh that's easy. In the prior verses, he says what was written that he's talking about. He was speaking against pride, which was written in the old testament. "That none of you may be puffed up". Has nothing to do with church tradition. Sola scriptura literally puffs people up.

I’ve still never heard a good explanation for this verse from those who reject Sola Scriptura. “I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another.” (1 Corinthians 4:6)

@redeemed_zoomer @The_Catechumen You're not going to find the fullness of Christ with lots of knowledge.

@The_Catechumen Protestants need to prove less than Catholics. Catholics need to prove that the data from church history supports THEM over and against the EOs, OOs, and Sedes. Protestants simply need to prove that the data DOES NOT support any of them

When you say, "Church history is on the Protestant's side," I assume you don't mean to say, "if you look at the pre-Protestant history of the Church, Christians primarily and decisively held to distinctively Protestant convictions and doctrines," but rather, "the historical data makes most sense under the Protestant approach to Church history" - i.e. the historical record displays an early purity among the early Christians that slowly accreted doctrinal and disciplinary novelties/abnormalities as time went on. When Catholics look at Church History, we see (and attempt to apologetically ground) an institutional continuity and an organic doctrinal continuity throughout all ages. When Protestants look at Church History, they see (and attempt to apologetically ground) discontinuity and departure from earlier doctrinal purity.

@RevivedThoughts Orthodox but yeah

Church history is on the protestants side. But we have to actually teach it.

@The_Cathodox In the 8th ecumenical council, Pope John VIII signed onto it without reservation, which rejected the filioque. Rome later just pretended that didn't happen and picked a different council to be the 8th. That right there is all the info you need.

300 years before Photius the Third Synod of Toledo in A.D. 589 had already anathematized the Photians (Easterm Orthodox) who would later deny that the Holy Spirit proceeded from the Father and the Son and no. This is not economic procession.

@Johnpaulmcrae83 @SanXz_9 @JayDyer No. I'm only responding to precisely what you admitted. You said that to be loving would be "tricking" people into the faith. How is it a trick if it's genuine?

@JM_Database @SanXz_9 @JayDyer You're assertion is that he or I are "faking" it? Can you please substantiate and/or demonstrate your claim?

Debate declines: Mohammed Hijab Wes Huff Trent Horn E Michael Jones Ortlund The opposition is drying up and retreating to tone policing videos.