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Deadagent『デッドエ―ジェント』
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Deadagent『デッドエ―ジェント』
@Deadagent
Weeb & gamer, AKA the root of all evil. 日本語学生
शामिल हुए Ekim 2010
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@FreeArchivist @Pirat_Nation Most gacha does not have multiplayer as far as I know. Though even if it did, people could still host their own if given the tools. It's all bullshit excuses to milk the customer dry with the usual "you'll own nothing" nonsense.
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Japanese devs explain why adding offline support to live-service games after shutdown is harder than most gamers think.
The discussion started again due to a fan-made offline version of Square Enix’s NieR Re[in]carnation.
Programmer Itchie said: “Making it technically work and making it actually enjoyable as a game are different things.”
He added: “There is a strong risk that the game will end up playable but not entertaining, or that it will simply fall apart as a game.”
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Time to support my favorite Japanese creator! They sell their stuff on DLSite? Cool! Let's see...
QR, JP only
Konbini, JP only
Credit, JP only
E-money, JP only
Points, JP only
SMS, JP only
Things like this are the issue. It doesn't "justify" piracy. But it becomes unavoidable.
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@ryoutougata Nice strawman. I never said it's as important as food or anything of the sort. The point is if there is no legitemate way to get something, there is no revenue to lose.
Also official releases are the ones getting censored left and right by activists, but that's a seperate topic.
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@Deadagent このようなコンテンツは娯楽品でありなくても生活することができます。そのため"完全に"不可能な場合は諦める他ありません。
まぁ"完全に"不可能ならば海賊版も検閲により使用する事ができないでしょうが。
それは机上の空論です。
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A thing that pisses me off in the piracy discussion is this hypocrisy of asking to not use piracy to check on things, when you live in a country in which anime seasons are shown on TV, you can buy cheap magazines to check on tons of manga and you even have websites with the chapters for free
None of this existed in the west. We only had a handful of old anime being shown on tv, no magazines, no free websites, etc.
Traditionally, if we wanted to check a manga legally, we had to buy the book blindly, without knowing what's inside. If we wanted to check an anime legally we had to buy the Dvd, blindly. It has become more accesible now, but we still have to pay.
It's very easy to tell someone else "just pay to check it", when you can check all of it for free or a very cheap price. You never had to pay for every single anime just to check if you like it. You watched it on TV, decided you like it, then paid.
We couldn't afford to pay for 60 dvds just to check on the 60 anime coming out in a season. So people used piracy to check it, and then become legal fans, buy the manga, the blue rays, the merch, or whatever
りょーとうがた@ryoutougata
海賊版は体験版ではない定期 欲しいが自国で売っていないなら個人輸入するべきだ。
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@localhomunculus @Querain491 @CasualKaiserboo They care even less since you pay them the same anyway.
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@Querain491 @CasualKaiserboo I don't wanna run the risk of pissing my ISP off
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Nobody is selecting japan for their vpn lmfao
真性@quiet_here
Piracy is only cool when they do it
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@ryoutougata @Cykalol_cl @kukuruyo What about when it's literally impossible? Not hard or difficult but straight up impossible.
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@Deadagent @Cykalol_cl @kukuruyo 金にならなければ次はない。あなたの国で正規に購入するのが難しい環境だとしても、それが『無断で利用していい理由』にはなりません。買えないなら我慢するか個人輸入を行うのが正しい倫理です。あなたの主張は『買えないから盗んだ』という万引き犯の言い訳と同じです。
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@ryoutougata @Cavouku @kukuruyo You're not answering the question so let's take it to the extreme.
If there was a law that said you have to punch a baby in the face every tuesday, would you do it?
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@Deadagent @Cavouku @kukuruyo 少なくともこの法律に関しては疑問を持ちませんね。
もしあなたが独自のコンテンツを作ったとき見知らぬ人にコピーされるのは不快でしょう？
mext.go.jp/b_menu/shingi/…
大勢が納得ができない法律は議員を通して改正を行うことができます。少なくとも民主主義を採用している法治国家では。
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@ryoutougata @Cykalol_cl @kukuruyo Potential loss of revenue is a very weak argument in my opinion. With actual theft the harm is provable and concrete. Here it's just whataboutism and again, people who pirate more also buy more if they can. That's simply because they have more exposure.
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@Deadagent @Cykalol_cl @kukuruyo 潜在的な収益の損失については間違いなく争点にできるね。(Twitterの140字制限を恨んだのはこれが初めてだ。さっきは足りなくて省いたからね。)
日本であった大規模な海賊版との対立を記しているサイトが多くあるので読んでみる価値があるかもしれません。今はクリエイターに分配されやすくなってるよ
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@ryoutougata @Cavouku @kukuruyo Do you ever question why the laws are the way they are? Or do you just follow everything without ever thinking about anything?
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@ryoutougata @Cykalol_cl @kukuruyo This is a false analogy, because with internet piracy no item is lost. The only thing that can be argued is potential lost revenue. But some studies show it can also increase revenue. In fact anime and manga would not have nearly the same popularity without piracy. That's a fact.
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@Cykalol_cl @kukuruyo 少し違うかな。
最終的に買うからと言って店内の物を勝手に開封して買わずに帰ったら問題になるよね。けど最終的にどうするか店はわからないから困るよね。
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@BrodieOnLinux If I had to guess, I think it's because alot of people like to chase the concept of a playable hollywood movie.
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@BrodieOnLinux The thing about realism is that it can work as novelty when eveything else isn't. Half life was more "realistic" than something like quake and it served to make the setting more believeable despite the literal space aliens.
Now most games are grounded and boring.
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Whenever discussions around ray tracing and path tracing come up someone inevitably says "but the lighting is more correct and realistic now"
To that I say, when did correctness become more important than interesting and engaging design.
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@SensOfKnowledge @guriguri751 @sneedofast41854 Actually you can save html files to your computer and view those even offline. Kind of a weird use sure, but you can.
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@guriguri751 @sneedofast41854 Your internet browser doesn't do anything if you unplug your internet. However, the browser still works and can be used if you connect to a different network.
Social games deliberately break the game if it can not connect.
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One of the interesting arguments the JP side has had against Stop Killing Games is that to make an offline version or would cost 50% to 100% more of the games original budget to do it.
I'm not sure if this is just a blatant lie, genuine incompetence or total ignorance.
We have guys with no access to the source code able to reverse engineer servers with, relatively speaking, minimal effort.
If Joe Everyman can do it for 0 dollars in his basement without the nessecary information, how come companies that actually have that information apparently can't do?
青猫@AonekoSS
「Stop Killing Games」のまとめ。 なんかいっぱい絡まれたから海外ニキと対話（レスバじゃないよw）した結果、要求のレベルが３段階くらいあるのが分かった。 サ終してもオフラインで動くようにしろ派： いまカリフォルニア州法に提出されてるライン。 メーカーにとっては対応コスト高すぎなんや。どないすんねん…… サーバー立てる為にソースを公開しろ派： つまり俺らでサーバー立ててホスティングするわって話。 ソースコードなんていう知財と企業秘密の塊をほいほい公開できるわけないやろアホタレって返した。（もう少し優しい言い方） 勝手に解析してサーバー立てるから黙認しろ派： いまニーアのプライベートサーバーで盛り上がってる界隈かな。 サーバー自体が法に触れるかは難しいけど、そのサーバーに繋ぐよう改造したアプリを撒くなら、それは紛れもなく「海賊版」なんだよね。 あと共通点として。 ゲームをオフライン版に改修するコストがほぼゼロだと思ってるっぽい。 ゲームは「購入」して「所有」するものという認識で、ライブサービスを受けている自覚がない。 大手メーカーをすげー嫌ってる。（でもゲームは買ってプレイしている） だいたいこんな感じかな。 英語とスペイン語が多くて、英語話者もヨーロッパのアカウントが多い感じだった。
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@twinewss Might be expensive in Japan, but in Finland it is just another cheap lunch choice (11-12 euros for all you can eat). And I think your video exaggerates the soy dipping in Europe. People here tend to soak it more, but not nearly that much.
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@karliraids @Bielsalmighty @Mangaminx That's trademark, not copyright. Copyright is yours untill your death plus around 90 years to who ever owns it by then. Oh, and it can be renewed indefinetly.
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@Bielsalmighty @Mangaminx The IP laws even fail at that. In some cases can *lose* your copyright/IP if you don't sue people you know infringe on it
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I’m done replying to this as I have stuff to do today but I’ll say this.
- Thank you to the JP users who helped me understand more. The ones just yelling at me you entertained me at least.
- Breaking bad laws is not immoral or evil.
- Copyright laws generally suck
- The western view of this is so much more relaxed it’s on another level I don’t think we will ever align on this front but those who had good analogies allowed me to understand more at least.
Minx@Mangaminx
Fascinating difference between Japanese fans and others in the QRTs here. Very worried about copyright infringement when as far as a lot of non-Japanese are concerned it’s important to preserve media. I’d go as far to say it’s morally good to pirate material no longer available myself.
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@hwj6OyWszV1WN8U Piracy sites have those too.
As for legal, it gets harder.
However, I can assure you everone else would absolutely advocate for you to have access to those.
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@Deadagent @polredra @usoikanokaisou Lack of Japanese skill and knowledge is not the company's fault but yours.
If you don't like them, don't associate them and stop buying their products.
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@tokei0208 @polredra @usoikanokaisou Boycotts very rarely actually work. Besides, how are you supposed to boycott a product that you like but is tied to a business practice you don't like? Copyright makes these products monopolies so there literally cannot be a competing product legally.
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