@No9356340128492 @BrotherBear1408 @King_Of_Fedoras @elitetakes_ Essentially they used picks 5 26 and 36 to get Hunter.
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@BrotherBear1408 @King_Of_Fedoras @elitetakes_ A swap and trading two first round picks is not the same thing yk that
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The right decision, especially after the Jakobi Meyers trade & Parker Washington emergence
It’s harder to find great CBs in this sport
Evan Sidery@esidery
The Jaguars are officially making Travis Hunter a full-time cornerback, per @RapSheet. Hunter will have some gadget plays on offense, but no longer the 50/50 split as he did winning the Heisman at Colorado.
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I really hope this is just a short term plan because it feels way too premature to abandon the two-way player thing, especially considering they spent the equivalent of 3 1st Round Picks on him.
But if the thinking is teach him one at a time till he's good at both, I get it.
Evan Sidery@esidery
The Jaguars are officially making Travis Hunter a full-time cornerback, per @RapSheet. Hunter will have some gadget plays on offense, but no longer the 50/50 split as he did winning the Heisman at Colorado.
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@jman212121 @AndrewDBailey To be fair, it does make sense that if SGA was fresh and able to play every single minute, the Thunder would win 70 games.
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@AndrewDBailey This is dumb because if we use net rating when SGA is on the floor then OKC is a 70+ win team with SGA over the last 2 years.
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This obviously sounds wild, but it's an interesting thought experiment. This season, the Thunder have a point differential around that of a 57-win team when Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is off the floor. Yes, 57. And Brandin Podziemski, despite his regular appearances on BrickCenter, has statistically played well above replacement level this season. As Simmons and Legler said, Podz would come off the bench. But yes, OKC would still have a dynamite defense in this situation, and 50 wins would absolutely be in play.
NBACentral@TheDunkCentral
Bill Simmons says if you replace Shai Gilgeous-Alexander with Brandin Podziemski, the Thunder would still win 50 games 😅 (h/t @NBA__Courtside ) x.com/NBA__Courtside…
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@grochbegley I think the issue lies with students who have very little work, and still refuse to do it. There were some kids in my philosophy class last semester who did roughly 10-15 hrs/week of work between all their courses outside of class. And still couldn't make time to do the reading.
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I'm going to be honest and say when I was assigned 100 pages a week, in multiple classes, I also did not read all that. I think we are conflating a real literacy problem with a "university professors truly do not understand how much reading to assign" problem
Brandon Zicha@ProfBZZZ
A student today at my elite university admitted to me today that she took a class so she could work on reading for more than 20 minutes at a time. She can't read. She mainly skims and summarizes, she says and still gets A's. This student is, by professional standards, illiterate. Gonna have high GPA when she graduates. This conversation was had after 6 of 22 students dropped my course because the maximum reading per week in one week was over 100 pages. What people aren't grasping is that this is literally *dangerous*. These people are going to be come doctors, engineers, etc. They are - by any metric - vastly less capable than prior generations. These effects are cumulative over a lifetime. This grade inflation is part of the problem, but not even close to the entirety. And the problem obviously starts in K-12. Students don't know history because, you can't actually become historically literate on the advice of 'never assign more than 30 pages a week'. You can't develop any of the skills that came with literacy. This is, quite honestly, a civilizational catastrophe.
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@jffstphns3 @SamQuinnCBS I think SGA is regarded as an all time legend. B2B MVP, viewed as BTW for now, FMVP last year. I think the issue is no secondary star on OKC has as much glamour as a Kareem, Wade, Pippen, Kobe, Steph/KD, etc. Their claim to fame is SGA, two borderline all stars, and depth/defense
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@SamQuinnCBS I’m talking more about perception. Th OP said they don’t *feel like* an all time great team. I’m saying it’s partly because Shai doesn’t *feel like* an all time legend. He might be just as skilled, but he hasn’t reached rockstar status nor is he in Mount Rushmore conversation.
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I mean, is Shai so far now from where like Kobe was in 2000 or Steph was in 2015? Some guys—your Shaqs, your LeBrons, your Wembys—are preordained as all-time guys. Others aren't, but at a certain point it becomes clear that's where they're headed, and I think that's where SGA is.
Jeff Stephens@jffstphns3
@SamQuinnCBS I also think it’s because they don’t have someone considered to be an all time legend. The all time teams had Jordan, Kobe and Shaq, Steph, Magic and Kareem, Bird, Wilt and Jerry West, Russell, etc. Shai isn’t that, not now.
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@ProfBZZZ I think this situation is largely paradoxical. Intelligent and motivated students caused higher GPA standards for jobs, which caused higher competition, causing students to take shortcuts, thereby leading to a less intelligent, less motivated population.
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A student today at my elite university admitted to me today that she took a class so she could work on reading for more than 20 minutes at a time. She can't read. She mainly skims and summarizes, she says and still gets A's.
This student is, by professional standards, illiterate. Gonna have high GPA when she graduates.
This conversation was had after 6 of 22 students dropped my course because the maximum reading per week in one week was over 100 pages.
What people aren't grasping is that this is literally *dangerous*. These people are going to be come doctors, engineers, etc. They are - by any metric - vastly less capable than prior generations. These effects are cumulative over a lifetime.
This grade inflation is part of the problem, but not even close to the entirety. And the problem obviously starts in K-12.
Students don't know history because, you can't actually become historically literate on the advice of 'never assign more than 30 pages a week'. You can't develop any of the skills that came with literacy. This is, quite honestly, a civilizational catastrophe.
Steve McGuire@sfmcguire79
79% of grades at Yale are A-range. Graduating summa cum laude requires a record high GPA OF 3.98.
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@HPbasketball If we think about what makes OKC great, it's an elite superstar (as there've been many of in NBA history), some other borderline all stars, and elite depth and talent throughout. Nothing specifically immediately jumps out apart from SGA.
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@HPbasketball One major difference is the lack of a true secondary superstar. I don't think the 2015 Warriors were considered an all time team, 2016 yes but only becuase of record. Every other "all time team" had a top 5-10 player in the league as a second option (Kobe, Wade, Pippen, KD/Steph)
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I'm really interested by the idea that the Thunder are, objectively, an All-Time team. Wins. Point Differential. Defense. Defense with Offensive Capability. Led by MVP. Depth. Coaching. Culture. Execution.
But they do not feel like the all-time great teams *to me* and I do not know why. (Thunder fans, I get they fell like that to you and that people SHOULD view them that way. Read the first part again.)
If you're not a Thunder fan, does OKC feel like an all-time great team on par with Warriors 2016, 2017, or say, Heat 2012 (who were objectively much worse than OKC), OKC 2014, 01 Lakers, etc? If not, why not?
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@ProfBZZZ How much time would you expect a student to devote to your class per week? I often find that 20 pages of philosophy (current undergrad student) takes me 2 hours. So far, most avg time spent on a class for me was 15 hrs/week in math, about 6 for a humanities heavier on reading.
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@AndrewDBailey I mean when you establish 5 criteria, of course you're going to reach situations like this. The more criteria you establish, the easier it is for your chosen player to meet the threshold. Problem is that in the NBA these arguments lead to non-legends being inducted.
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My super-simple Hall of Fame temp check is also pretty good for LaMarcus Aldridge.
Kareem, Duncan, KD, Ewing, KG, LeBron, Dirk, Shaq, Hakeem, Parish and Robinson are the only players in NBA history who match or exceed all of Aldridge's regular and postseason totals for points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals.
Josh 🦤@BonBonStu
@AndrewDBailey @bball_ref @Stathead Kinda gives me hope that LaMarcus Aldridge can be inducted
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@RUSHMOREonX @Polymarket Wilt Chamberlain, Kobe Bryant, Anthony Edwards, Bam Adebayo. Easy.
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Doris Kearns Goodwin and Jon Meacham join Ari and Ben to debate which historic figures deserve to be on the Mount Rushmore of U.S. Non-Presidents.
Legacies examined. Impact measured. History debated. But only 4 will be etched in Rushmore history.
Presented by @Polymarket
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@Marcus_Mosher Ie Geno Smith was an objectively terrible pick for the Jets. Best comp for what I'm saying is probably the NBA: Luka was a better pick than SGA, even though SGA is better now, because for these teams and GMs in all sports, early production is immensely valuable.
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@Marcus_Mosher True, but that doesn't mean Moore was the better pick. I'm not saying he wasn't, but I feel like in historical evaluations we just say "this guy's better now" and ignore how important ability in years 1-4 is above anything else (weighted more heavily towards year 1).
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There was a big debate in 2018 as to who was WR1 between Calvin Ridley and DJ Moore.
Ridley was the more pro-ready player, but was 24 going into his rookie season.
Moore was the more talented player and was only 20.
9 years later, Moore has nearly 3,000 more yards and earned a new contract in 2026. Ridley just had to take a pay cut to avoid being released by the Titans.
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@ToCookForschool @fraggrrr @BengalYouTube Cooper Flagg was unanimously voted as the best player on the NBA Select Team, consisting of just him and NBA players, before he'd ever played a second of college basketball.
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@fraggrrr @BengalYouTube Not true. Have you seen what 45 year old Mike Miller did to those college players 1 on 1?
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I think we can call agree it's not basketball
DUBBY@DubDotDUBBY
The gap between college and the pros has to be the largest in basketball
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@AndrewDBailey Warriors. His early exit made sure that 2010's OKC was defined by Russ instead of him, and that era's also been largely washed away by SGA's incredible run. Phoenix is already forgotten in all honesty, Brooklyn's only known as a "what if", Houston won't amount to anything.
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Which team will Kevin Durant most be associated with in 20 years?
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@CuhWristChin__ @PranavSriraman And we only use the tiebreakers for players extremely close in caliber: ie SGA and Jokic, maybe Wemby, Luka, or Giannis. Like 2024 Tatum and 2022 Steph never "earned it, just like 2025 Haliburton wouldn't have if he won, because they weren't close enough to the top.
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@CuhWristChin__ @PranavSriraman Fair but I think the best counter is that BITW is often so close that it's very hard to differentiate between the top guys. And because it's so hard to differentiate, we use playoff success and signature moments as the tiebreaker to say one player "deserves" the BITW title.
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Such a boring and reductive way to analyze basketball
E@E_3O5_
Best player in the world talks will be settled in the playoffs this year, ain’t no need to debate rn
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@SamQuinnCBS But was BITW KD or Steph? They both had absurd seasons. Not to mention LeBron pre-injury, Harden pre-injury, Giannis, and Jokic. Very difficult year-I think it was KD then Steph, but many guys with an argument.
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It feels lost to time but I’m adamant that KD was the best player in 2021. Giannis won the title but Durant outplayed him in that series and only lost because Harden and Kyrie got hurt. If even one of them stays healthy the Nets win that title that’s Durant’s crowning moment.
MarzTalksSports@MarzTalksSports
The best player ever who I never thought was the best in the world is probably KD
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@FleekoSuave @jayden_e928 @NSftbl @UofBasketball The year of a season isn't decided by when it starts. It's when most of it is played. Not very hard to understand basic facts about a sport. Otherwise we would be talking about the 2015 Warriors going 73-9. Except not a single person does that.
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@jayden_e928 @NSftbl @UofBasketball 2016-2017 means the year starts in 2016. Jesus Christ are you people fucking brain dead?
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People think Kawhi hasn't put together top 5 seasons before??
Nick Miller@FleekoSuave
@UofBasketball Another? This is the first time he’s ever put together a top five season lmfao he’s had great postseasons but this is his best SEASON ever
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The best players who were never THE BEST player in the league
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