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Gus.eth

Gus.eth

@gus__eth

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Gus.eth
Gus.eth@gus__eth·
@TimothyWNugent @farmingandJesus If the Catholic Church started under Constantine, why were pre Constantine Christians already teaching the Real Presence in the Eucharist , baptismal regeneration, confession, prayers for the dead, and apostolic succession? You can’t say he invented a Church that already existed
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Timothy Nugent
Timothy Nugent@TimothyWNugent·
@gus__eth @farmingandJesus It was a christian movement, and there were clergy of course, but the CC as it exists today began under Constantine.
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Gus.eth@gus__eth·
@TimothyWNugent @farmingandJesus If the CC began in 325 AD, then who were all the bishops, Christians, martyrs, churches, and Eucharistic liturgies that existed before 325? Christians were already calling the Church ‘Catholic’ long before 325, and there’s a documented line of bishops of Rome going back to Peter.
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Timothy Nugent
Timothy Nugent@TimothyWNugent·
@gus__eth @farmingandJesus The Catholic church was founded in 325ad, almost 300 years after Jesus died for our sins. Neither Peter nor Jesus started the Catholic church, they both remained Messianic Jews.
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@sola_chad "Amen.. now keep reading to verse 10."
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Gus.eth@gus__eth·
@farmingandJesus Those verses are about personal greed, not worship. God Himself commanded the Temple to be built, and Jesus called it ‘my Father’s house.’ A church isn’t a treasure for us it’s for God.”Even Judas complained about ‘wasting’ resources on Jesus and Jesus rebuked him, not Mary
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@JayCCalhoun @bp061122 @5Solas2 Yes, people must understand any authority that’s obvious. But that doesn’t eliminate authority. Otherwise even “Scripture is authoritative” becomes just private interpretation. The question is whether Christ left a Church that can definitively settle disputes or not.
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Gus.eth@gus__eth·
@JayCCalhoun @bp061122 @5Solas2 real question still isn’t answered:when 2people read Scripture and reach opposite conclusions, who has authority to settle the dispute?That question isn’t emotional or “Catholic”it’s just logic.Thetone doesn’t change the argument.Truth still requires a real authority to define it
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Jay Calhoun
Jay Calhoun@JayCCalhoun·
@gus__eth @bp061122 @5Solas2 Christ's appointed authority is the scripture. Which He wrote. As you will see across the globe in the so-called Catholic Church, you haven't been able to solve the problem of private interpretation, because private interpretation of authoritative words is inherent in life
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Gus.eth@gus__eth·
@JayCCalhoun @bp061122 @5Solas2 Christ is the ultimate author of Scripture through the Holy Spirit, but it was written by the apostles within the Church, and the canon itself was recognized and defined by Church councils. So the Bible being used against the Church exists because of the Church.
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@JayCCalhoun @bp061122 @5Solas2 Of course people must understand truth personally that’s not the issue. The issue is whether truth is defined by the individual or by Christ’s appointed authority. Otherwise even Scripture has no fixed meaning, only private interpretation.
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Jay Calhoun
Jay Calhoun@JayCCalhoun·
@gus__eth @bp061122 @5Solas2 If I knew I was talking to a Catholic probably I would not have engaged in this. No amount of authoritative words escapes you from the problem of private interpretation.
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Gus.eth@gus__eth·
@JayCCalhoun @bp061122 @5Solas2 That’s exactly why the early Church didn’t rely on private interpretation, it met in council and defined doctrine. Nicaea didn’t tell people to “read and decide” if Jesus is God; it defined it for the whole Church.
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Jay Calhoun
Jay Calhoun@JayCCalhoun·
@gus__eth @bp061122 @5Solas2 The scriptures speak authoritatively. And you believe the Pope speaks authoritatively, or councils do, sometimes. And those words still have to enter the brains of congregants. They read authoritative words and hear them. Which means interpretation. You can't get around it.
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Gus.eth@gus__eth·
@JayCCalhoun @bp061122 @5Solas2 Yes, people must interpret..but that doesn’t remove authority. The question is who has authority to define meaning, not whether humans must receive it. Otherwise, even “Scripture is authoritative” becomes just private interpretation.
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Gus.eth@gus__eth·
@JayCCalhoun @bp061122 @5Solas2 It gathered in council, issued a binding decision, and expected obedience. That’s apostolic authority and it didn’t end after Acts 15. Catholic unity is doctrinal and global; Protestantism is divided at the level of doctrine itself. That difference matters.
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@JayCCalhoun @bp061122 @5Solas2 Yes, individuals must understand the faith but Christ still gave His Church authority to settle doctrine Acts 15. Otherwise, private interpretation becomes the final authority. The early Church didn’t say “read your Bible and decide.”
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Gus.eth@gus__eth·
@JayCCalhoun @bp061122 @5Solas2 Christ didn’t leave us a scattered set of private interpretations..He founded a visible Church with authority to teach and preserve the faith. So again, what continuous, identifiable body can you point to that has actually preserved that teaching through every age?
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Jay Calhoun
Jay Calhoun@JayCCalhoun·
@gus__eth @bp061122 @5Solas2 Where haven't I provided it? Ignorant Catholics who don't buy all the doctrine have been saved for a long time, through long periods of heresy from the so-called Roman Catholic Church. And then people started to read the Bible.
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@JayCCalhoun @bp061122 @5Solas2 But then “the pillar and foundation of truth” becomes whatever each individual believes correctly, even while disagreeing with others. That turns the Church into something invisible and fragmented, not the one Christ founded.
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