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here's picrews i've been making of my 'egos' because who needs drawing when you can make a picrew
here's them for reference
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@aztrocandy @Sharcotics fym truth nuke the entire point is that you shouldn't be idolizing strangers because that's parasocial behavior that hinges on them being and having been perfect people throughout their lives
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“Oh I pressed the kill myself button so now you also have to press the kill yourself button to save me from my decision 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺”
Just don’t press the god damn kill yourself button???
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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Empathy being thought of as a touchy-feely thing rather than a logical skill that’s essential for understanding other people’s behavior is one of the biggest ongoing psyops of all.
Thoughtfully relating to others’ problems is SYMPATHY. You’re thinking of SYMPATHY. Not empathy.
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if blue can win 58% even on this website that self-selects for the kind of game theory-brained amoral weirdo that would press red, it couldn't be more obvious that it's the correct option
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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@BronzeAgeGoron @ThinkWiselyMatt it's only a "suicide button" if more than half of the population is okay with something between 1 to 49% of all living people dying
most people would think that's insane
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He means in a moral way not an actionable way. The question is of the form “would you rather live or would you rather live sometimes.” Obviously just pick the live option, not the live sometimes option. It’s just a suicide button. Just don’t press the suicide button. Ok people are going to press it, how does joining the suicide cult help anyway?
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If everyone just
Max@minordissent
Blue voters are so full of shit on so many levels. 1. The question is not over whether you are selfless its whether you think most people are. Even the most holier than thou lib believes most people are selfish and thus would not press blue. 2. If everyone just presses red no one dies. blue adds unnecessary death. 3. They are moralizing the experiment to ask “what is the good person answer” rather than honestly reflecting on what theyd do if it really happened. I guarantee you that you put any person in that room and say “if you vote blue but most people dont, we will SHOOT YOU” that not one single person will take that risk, especially given #1.
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@HairyLeggdHarpy the absolute irony of a terf defending the blue button.
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Just before you press your button of choice, you're informed that in almost every hypothetical trial run of this poll, whether online or real life, the population has chosen blue above red.
You fact check this. It's true.
Your loved ones have already voted.
What do you press?
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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@star_excelsior @LinkofSunshine @e_considine the best case scenario is 100% of the people will see the button with a 51% minimum for nobody to die and will, somehow, think it's better to pick the "someone COULD die" button
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@LinkofSunshine @e_considine Math:
If 51% vote Red: 49% die
If 51% vote Blue: 100% live
This is a faith in humanity test and you failed.
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i completely missed this discourse the first time so lemme try. i pressed blue without thinking about it, my gut reaction was "blue is prosocial and red is antisocial," on reflection this still seems right to me
galaxy-brain game theory arguments in favor of red are completely missing the point. as others have pointed out, empirically blue wins, and this is a test of theory of mind more than anything else. the actual outcome is determined by what everyone else who is not you actually does, not by what game theory says they should do
a certain kind of nerd thinks game theory is just the "correct" framework for reasoning about this type of situation and that is absolutely not true either and can be questioned on intellectual grounds and not just vibes. among other things game theory assumes every participant is perfectly selfish and perfectly """rational""" (and that this is common knowledge among the participants). this is just totally false as a description of the actual world! multiple parents pointed out that parents have to remember that this test includes their children. and obviously the vast majority of people have never even heard of game theory but they do know what selfishness and selflessness are
funnily enough there's LW stuff around exotic decision theories that's actually relevant here. one of them i would describe roughly as "when you make a decision you are choosing to live in a world where people like you make decisions like that" and i'd rather choose to live in a world where people like me are prosocial
"blue is prosocial and red is antisocial" is also a self-fulfilling prophecy, the more people who believe it the more true it becomes. so believing it is partly a bet on how much other people believe it, partly an act of hyperstition to make it true. few
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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@ChrisPacia @questionableway and like that, he percentage of red rises and risks killing other people
meanwhile simply not voting red (the only option that brings about death) avoids anyone dying, as is proven by the result of the poll
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Knowing that there are blue voters doesn't change anything for me.
The odds of the vote coming down to a single vote and my vote being decisive is virtually zero.
Therefore, voting blue will not change the outcome of the vote. But it does potentially get me killed.
I'm not going to risk my own life with a near 0% chance of changing the outcome.
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@philipp_thaler @Phantom_TheGame restarting society with people who only think to save their own asses is a great dystopian horror concept
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@Phantom_TheGame Picking red is the restart button. Society sucks right now. A doover is worth trying. If humanity goes extinct it would still be a win.
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There is a 0% chance everyone will pick red. Therefore, there is a 0% chance that people WON'T pick blue knowing this, because they don't want people to die. And knowing this, even more people would press blue to save those people.
Picking red might seem logical at first, because you'll always live, but think for a second. Realistically, around 50% of people will pick blue. What will happen to society if half the population dies? Additionally, the ones picking blue are probably the most altruistic people. People who would put themselves in danger to save others. These are your doctors, firemen, policemen, teachers, military, nurses etc. If less than 50% of humanity picks blue, all of these people will die. If you pick red, and all the blue pressers die, you have not ensured your own safety. The world you'll live in will be in complete chaos. A world where all remaining humans are the most selfish and have the least amount of empathy. I'd guess a huge percentage of the remaining population would die in the next few years. Picking red is the slow, painful death option. Picking blue is - you might die, but at least it will be quick and painless compared to the ones who picked red. Preferably though, blue is the "save everyone and prevent society from collapsing" option.
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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@sean_domnick @jdcmedlock actually, if everyone presses red nobody dies, if only half the people press blue nobody dies
it's strategically more viable to press blue as it's less likely to result in any death
i think the average person isn't a selfish dipshit
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@godofbrainrot @jdcmedlock If everyone presses red or blue nobody dies, but when the proportion changes it gets pretty different. What do you think the right thing to do is if you’re certain only 1/3 are pressing blue?
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If you want to avoid needless death, you have two options to coordinate around. Blue has a 50% threshold and red has a 100% threshold. Only one of these is actually feasible…
delaniac 🌹🌱@ChadNotChud
every time this goes around I’m honestly flabbergasted by this justification for picking “red” everyone won’t do that. like that’s just an empirical fact. moreover the fact that there’s discourse about it should immediately prove that to you. many, many people will choose blue
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again, it's not the rational reason pick
there is no rationality to picking the button that could kill people unless 100% of people pick it
it is not the rational or logical choice, the odds of someone dying only increase if people pick the red button, therefore, blue is safer
Tim Soret@timsoret
Assuming no possible coordination: If everybody was rational, we would all individually pick red & be safe without needing coordination, trusting that the sum of individual interests would lead to the most optimized outcome. Except that many humans are irrational & dogmatic, and driven by idealistic / empathetic concerns, would pick blue, even if that requires coordination which is not guaranteed & which puts them as risk. Knowing this, even if you’re initially inclined to vote red, the actual moral choice, to avoid the death of those willingly putting their lives at risk, is to vote blue to maximize the chances of saving everybody. In short, if you know that others are not perfectly rational agents, to save them you have to go along with their irrationality, which is counter intuitive.
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@FelineEntity except red isn't actually the logical answer, that would only be the case if blue had a downside that couldn't be avoided by just. pressing blue. if only >50% of people press blue everyone lives, red needs 100% of vote to not kill anyone. the odds aren't actually in red's favor
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This is a wonderful question btw.
The logical answer is red.
However, humans aren't perfectly logical creatures.
So the empathetic answer is blue, because red WILL kill people.
Will you stay logical and kill? Or will you stay empathetic and risk your life?
It's a great conundrum.
vittorio@IterIntellectus
why would anyone even press blue?!?
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@sean_domnick @jdcmedlock red is quite literally the only one that guarantees death unless 100% of the people press it you shouldn't need to coordinate with people to press the blue button
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@sean_domnick @jdcmedlock you're thinking way too hard about this as if blue isn't the "nobody dies" button
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@SirKickass @leap_dog it's a situation where you need only 50% of votes for everyone to be okay or 99% of votes for only 1% of people to die, 100% if you want 0 deaths. the average person will look at these odds and pick blue
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@SirKickass @leap_dog it's quite literally
>ship doesn't sink
>ship does sink but everyone who voted for it to sink gets a lifeboat and can save themselves
i think most people are normal
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i think it really does say a lot about you whether you instinctively conceive of the red button as the kill millions button, or the blue button as the kill yourself button
Basil🧡@LinkofSunshine
“Oh I pressed the kill myself button so now you also have to press the kill yourself button to save me from my decision 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺” Just don’t press the god damn kill yourself button???
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people invoke game theory for such dumb stuff. if youre optimizing for “i and only i survive and idc abt if anyone else dies and i think that more than 50% of other people share this goal” then red is a reasonable pick. this is, however, a stupid starting point
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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@sean_domnick @jdcmedlock the only coordination necessary is the fact that nothing bad happens if you vote blue, you save everyone no caveats, it's the logical choice unless you believe the average person is a selfish dipshit
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@godofbrainrot @jdcmedlock The original tweet doesn’t mention coordination either way or make it clear if it’s possible
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