DigitalFire8801

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DigitalFire8801

DigitalFire8801

@Dfire8801

Interested in DNA and History

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Hercules 🏛️🏺
Hercules 🏛️🏺@Hercules_2133·
@realillyrian668 So Greece has the lowest numbers in the south Balkans ?? But Albanians say that they are descendants of Illyrians(15%is funny , the Slavic and Greek at them are more) and that most of Greeks are Albanians 🤣🤣🤣
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E-V13 slayer
E-V13 slayer@realillyrian668·
Proto-Illyrian lineage
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DigitalFire8801@Dfire8801·
Dumbass do you really think Northern Peloponnesian Greeks are actually 30%+ Slavic? good luck telling that to your fellow Greeks. You can either Accept the Albanian pill or Slavic Pill. Which one? Yes You can compare P values when rotating sources, How is this a fundamental error? in this case its indicative that qpAdm prefers an Iron Age Balkan source that is more northern shifted (Which is steppe heavier compared to Epirus LBA/IA) In comparison to a steppe shift from Slavic groups. (Literally Poland MA on the Epirus LBA model is proxying a steppe shift from Cinamak ) I even asked you earlier to describe a specific historical event of northern Greeks specifically migrating to Peloponnese, and you did not respond to that.
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Philoveritas
Philoveritas@philosofveritas·
”Decided to run an experiment” > Didn’t test what I said > Created more dog shit models with source pops not changing any of his retarded assumptions. > Committed a huge error once again by falsely thinking p-ranking is possible in passing models (I’ve already explained to you numerous times that in qpadm, as long as the model passes, it’s not worse than one with a p-value of 0,99, retard). > All points I brought up still stand (hinterland, paleo-Balkan like signal through North Greeks, Vlachs, Slavs, etc) lol
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DigitalFire8801@Dfire8801·
Directly Inspired by @ObliterVict I made a genetic map of the Peloponnese, specifically using Postmedieval Albanian samples that existed around the time that the Arvanites settled into Greece #qpAdm #Greece #Albania #DNA #History Models: pastebin.com/vPE0RMyx
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🧵Exploring the genetics of the Peloponnese: Roman Peloponnesian (41.9%-62.0%), Medieval Albanian (20.3%-37.9%), and Slavic (13.8%-28.8%) ancestries. Modern data is sourced from Stamatoyannopoulos et al. (2017), while Roman Peloponnese samples are from Psonis et al. (2025).

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DigitalFire8801@Dfire8801·
researchgate.net/publication/34… 1. On a historical basis, Slavic tribes settled directly into the Peloponnese rather than it being medieval Serbians and Bulgarians (Which were mixed), in comparison to the Slavic source of Albanians. Even if we assumed that (ALL) Slavs were Balkan admixed, there's only a small difference according to picture three. I asked you for a specific historical event of a large enough migration of non Arvanites to accompany this large genetic shift, and you gave a few possibilities. So I actually decided to take your theory further regarding Greek related populations migrating to the Peloponnese and decided to run an experiment. Literally dispute the shotgun (.SG) bias in qpAdm, Cinamak STILL passes better. When Epirus LBA is used instead of Cinamak, Slavic ancestry gets pushed to 30% which is implausible here, which ends up being more if you assume that all slavs that settled in the Peloponnese were Balkan admixed. Rights: Papuan.DG, Romania_C_Bodrogkeresztur.AG, Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG, Turkey_Central_CamlibelTarlasi_C.AG, Lithuania_EMN_Narva.AG, Serbia_IronGates_Mesolithic.AG, Russia_YuzhniyOleniyOstrov_Mesolithic.SG, Greece_Crete_HgCharalambos_EMBA.AG, Greece_Peloponnese_N.AG
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Philoveritas
Philoveritas@philosofveritas·
@Dfire8801 @ObliterVict x.com/philosofverita…
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Dogshit model like the previous one and all your other ones lol. Roman Corinth was not representative of the Peloponnese, and Slavs and Vlachs as well as northern Greeks would have introduced a paleo-Balkan component thas is only accounted for by ”albanians” in your model. Maniots and other regions where no Arvanites settled literally scoring more Arvanite than Arvanite regions? With absolutely no Y-DNA and mtDNA contribution whatsoever? Besides, albanians can neither account for the Peloponnese shift autosomally, nor do Arvanites themselves, let alone other Greeks, carry albanian-related Y-DNA markers

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DigitalFire8801@Dfire8801·
Literally regardless of the variation of roman Peloponnesians, whether its more Anatolian/near eastern shifted or Mycenaean shifted, this would not fundamentally impact the result in comparison to using more Slavic shifted Albanian samples (Most of whatever is ancestral to Tenea is not mainly ancestral to Bardhoc whatsoever). my confidence of using one, or a few Albanian representatives knowing their genetic impact on the region anyway, in comparison to your lack of confidence of using Tenea samples, which don't share many ancestral components as Bardhoc anyway, shows you're are kind of coping, and even if anything isn't to the literal T, it should at least show the bigger picture. What big migration of specifically northern Greeks (not Arvanites) were observed in the medieval/early modern era to the Peloponnese that created this large genetic impact, or even vlachs? (Not that there weren't there at all but 30-35% is sizable)
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Philoveritas
Philoveritas@philosofveritas·
I clearly stated that they weren’t albanian (because they weren’t) and that the Roman Corinth proxy wasn’t representative. You either overlooked my whole response or you’re braindead. It isn’t representative because it doesn’t capture the variation on Peloponnese (hinterland rather than a large center where Roman mobility was intense) and the excess Balkan component that would have been introduced by northern Greeks, Vlachs and Slavs is only accounted for by the ”albanians” in your dogshit model. You literally force the output, as there is no other way to explain the Balkan input. You didn’t address this, of course. Second of all, Arvanites have no Y-DNA relation to albanians (as per the available data), so the Balkan component cannot be explained by albanians. And Maniots (who according to your dogshit model score more ”albanian” than Arvanite regions) have no albanian Y-DNA or mtDNA as per Davranoglou’s study, so how would albanians contribute ~25% autosomal DNA with absolutely no uniparental inprint (mind you, this is well post Maniot 7th century founder effect). Lol. Either address these points, or shut up, big brained shqip
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Philoveritas
Philoveritas@philosofveritas·
@Dfire8801 @ObliterVict Already gave you the reasons. And yes I have lol. My comments are still up unlike you who deletes them. You can go through all instances I taught you the fundamentals and every time I called you out for committing fundamental errors, like and absolute buffoon
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Philoveritas@philosofveritas·
Dogshit model like the previous one and all your other ones lol. Roman Corinth was not representative of the Peloponnese, and Slavs and Vlachs as well as northern Greeks would have introduced a paleo-Balkan component thas is only accounted for by ”albanians” in your model. Maniots and other regions where no Arvanites settled literally scoring more Arvanite than Arvanite regions? With absolutely no Y-DNA and mtDNA contribution whatsoever? Besides, albanians can neither account for the Peloponnese shift autosomally, nor do Arvanites themselves, let alone other Greeks, carry albanian-related Y-DNA markers
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Zef Schiró di Maggio
Zef Schiró di Maggio@zeftheZEUS·
#Arvanites 🇦🇱 welcomed refugees at different times. In 1827, about 283 immigrants from Smyrna settled in Athens. In 1922–1924, over 1.5 million Asia Minor Greeks relocated to Greece. They could not have foreseen that their descendants in #Çamëria would face mass #genocide in 1944
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Who saved Modern Greece? Let’s see what Leontios K. Leontios tells us.-To Brothers, 1897), рр. 45-47. ‘Yes! I am the barbarian Albania (Illyria); but at the same time the mother of Skoufas and of Kountouriotis, of Botsaris and of Miaoulis, of Karaiskakis and of Sachouris….

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DigitalFire8801@Dfire8801·
@philosofveritas Regarding my earlier comment, if anything Bardhoc is an even better proxy because it captures more variation among Albanians Target: Achaea Lefts: Albania_Bardhoc_PostMedieval.AG, Greece_Korinthia_Tenea_Roman.SG, Poland_MA.SG Rights: Papuan.DG, Bulgaria_Varna_C.AG, Iran_TepeGuran_N.SG, Turkey_Central_CamlibelTarlasi_C.AG, Lithuania_EMN_Narva.AG, Serbia_IronGates_Mesolithic.AG, Russia_YuzhniyOleniyOstrov_Mesolithic.SG, Greece_Crete_HgCharalambos_EMBA.AG, Greece_Peloponnese_N.AG
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Philoveritas
Philoveritas@philosofveritas·
@IllyrianJ2bL283 @razibkhan Using a non-albanian proxy to represent albanians, while assuming Corinth is representative of medieval Greeks from Epirus to Corinth lol.
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Menhard@IllyrianJ2bL283·
That's not true, read the study. And subscribe to @razibkhan and listen to the podcast.
David T.@Dav66352635859

@IllyrianJ2bL283 Albanians cluster closely with mainland Greeks because they mixed much less with Slavs, similar to the Greeks. As a result, they retained a higher proportion of paleo-Balkan DNA. Slavic ancestry is estimated at roughly 10–20% in Albanians and 5–15% in Greeks, compared to 30–50%.

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DigitalFire8801@Dfire8801·
@philosofveritas @IllyrianJ2bL283 I thought we went through this already "Shtike and kenete have slavic ancestry because they share IBD with Avars!" >The avars in question (This one is in the same IBD group as shtike and kenete): x.com/Dfire8801/stat…
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Here are even better models, this sample literally passes 1 to 1 with Croatia romans. Mbuti.DG, Hungary_C_Balaton_Lasinja.AG, Iran_TepeGuran_N.SG, Turkey_Central_CamlibelTarlasi_C.AG, Serbia_IronGates_Mesolithic.AG, Russia_YOO_Meso.SG You mean to tell me that this was artificially formed, rather than the fact that these roman balkan profiles existed in this region due to geographic proximity?

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Philoveritas
Philoveritas@philosofveritas·
Stop tagging me in your dumb posts, you racist piece of shit This is only true if Shtike and Kenete are assumed to lack Slavic admixture entirely, which is improbable given that the highest pre-modern IBD segments they share with are Avars. So they share IBD segments with Avars but small amounts with Cinamak, despite being 86% Cinamak derived? Are you good? Granted, Cinamak is from antiquity, but so are the Gepids, the Thracians and West Anatolia IA, all of whom share IBD with them. What kind of ghost population is Cinamak that contributed with 86% autosomal DNA yet small amounts of IBD segments? Is this selective recombination, or what? Mind you, Shtike and Kenete are assumed to be proto-albanians, that just diverged and expanded, yet share nothing between them. Even if the above is ignored (*if*), Leonidas clearly states in the podcast that Slavic ancestry in albanians is not uniform geographically, and that there are albanians with 50%+ Slavic ancestry. So, on average, albanians have more than the average Greek. But no one even cares about that, literally no one. You’re framing this as some kind of competition over who has the least Slavic ancestry and tagging me as if I give a flying f about it. I don’t. The fact remains that quality > quantity. Most people would probably rather be 1% ancient Greek-derived than 100% whatever you’re larping as. Do not forget who it is you’re larping as (with all due respect):
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Menhard
Menhard@IllyrianJ2bL283·
🎙️ Leonidas-Romanos Davranoglou sums it up perfectly: "Albanians have very little Slavic ancestry compared to their neighbors. In some mountainous and isolated areas of Albania, there is almost no Slavic ancestry, or even 0%." "Maniots have some Slavic ancestry—but the lowest percentage on the entire Greek mainland." Genetic reality once again shatters the Greek "purity" and "Albanians are Slavicized" narratives. @philosofveritas I recommend @razibkhan podcast to everyone, and for the ultra-patriots, the best part is you don't even have to be able to read. #Illyrian #AlbanianGenetics #Maniots #aDNA #BalkanHistory #Slavicancestry @HarvardHEB
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Menhard@IllyrianJ2bL283·
We know why people like @philosofveritas claim everything is Greek, no matter how illogical. He has to question Shtike and Kenete; how else can he explain to anyone that the mainland Greeks (mostly Arvanites) are assimilated Albanians who intermarried with Armenians, Laz, and Assyrians? But Pontic Greeks, Anatolian Greeks, and Cappadocians are closer to Armenians, Assyrians, Georgians than to Arvanites or medieval Albanians. The latest DNA study confirms that a large portion of modern mainland Greek DNA segments share IBD with an individual from Roopkund, who in turn was an Albanian from Greece because he shares large segments with medieval and Modern Albanians. So now we've mixed an Albanian and an Armenian Assyrian. It's no coincidence that this results in a genetic profile that corresponds exactly to modern Greeks. @Dfire8801 #fyp #Greece #Genetics #Armenia
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ΑΛΕΞ K
ΑΛΕΞ K@andros_sk_mari·
@IllyrianJ2bL283 @grok Keep reading Sorry this hurts, this is the reality. Experts, linguistic studies even fro. Matzinger etc all say the same thing. I am happy you believe in fairy tales. Unfortunately 0 inscriptions 0 artifacts We know more about Neanderthals lmao
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ΑΛΕΞ K@andros_sk_mari·
I didn't know that was illyrian lmao, You calls others stupid but clearly you are top notch. You got nothing . You clearly can't read or understand what was stated. You are just a "gypsy"
Menhard@IllyrianJ2bL283

Stobi was a significant ancient city in what is now North Macedonia, located at the crossroads of two important trade routes. Originally founded by the Paionians, Stobi was later incorporated into the Roman Empire and served as the capital of the Roman province of Macedonia Salutaris. Its location led the city to develop into a thriving commercial center and a significant religious site, especially during the early Christian era. Archaeological Finds: The city contains numerous significant finds, including: • A large Roman theater dating to the 2nd century AD. • Several basilicas, including the Episcopal Basilica, which is decorated with magnificent mosaics, indicating the city's importance as an early Christian center. • Remains of houses of the wealthy upper class with elaborate mosaics and frescoes. • Tombs with interesting inscriptions. Inscriptions such as “Arbroi” and “Albanoi” were discovered on some graves, indicating the presence of the Albanoi, a tribe considered the forerunner of modern-day Albanians. These finds shed new light on the ethnic diversity and presence of the Albanoi in the region, indicating the historical intertwining of peoples in the ancient Balkans. Decay and Abandonment: Stobi was badly hit by earthquakes in the 5th and 6th centuries and was eventually abandoned in Byzantine times. The town fell into oblivion until archaeological excavations in the 19th century began to bring its history back to light. Stobi remains one of the most significant archaeological sites in North Macedonia, and the discoveries, including the “Arbroi” and “Albanoi” inscriptions, add to the complex ethnic and cultural history of the region. wmf.org/project/stobi #ref476168" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">britannica.com/place/Albania/…

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