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@vaticansillo @mattjhedges11 @sincead33 @emuse1955 If it not be of much trouble, could you provide the very source text for this?

@mattjhedges11 @sincead33 @emuse1955 not outlandish

Only listened up to @emuse1955 opening statement so far and his fundamental theology is fantastic. This is why Catholics who engage Protestants need to be reading Scheeben, Franzelin, Lagrange, etc. youtube.com/live/nn8BYrFdM…

@The_Catechumen Thank you, when done, let me know what you think!

@Lafantom3 W. Looks interesting!

The Church's infallibility extends to dogmatic facts. A dogmatic fact is a fact not contained in the sources of revelation, on admission of which depends the knowledge or certainty of a dogma or of a revealed truth... The Church is infallible in those related matters in which an error would constitute a danger to the faith. But dogmatic facts are matters of this kind. What good would it do to proclaim in theory the infallible authority of ecumenical councils if one could licitly doubt the legitimacy of a specific council? What good would it do to acknowledge the inspiration of the Sacred Books in their original forms—forms long ago extinct—if one could not definitively establish the substantial fidelity of copies of the original and of the translations which the Church has to use? Could Christians be effectively protected against errors in their faith if the Church could not warn them against poisonous fare, such as are books which contain heresy or errors in religious matters? Monsignor G. Van Noort, S.T.D. Dogmatic Theology Vol II, 110-111

@StMichael71 the consequence ipso facto.

@StMichael71 A Caietanus is in the minority on the topic, not only are the majority of our theologians confident in the opposite view, but also our canonists. This is demonstrated practically everywhere. The caveat however is on the notion of manifest heresy, occult or private do not incur

Ironically, though, joke's on them: Even a heretical Pope, according to Cajetan, wouldn't be a good reason to set up your own Church. He thinks, until formally deposed, a heretic Pope's acts are still valid in governance. Like, say, when he excommunicates you jokers again.

@caJosue0060 @sincead33 Despair not, for indeed we possess corrections for your answers.

@sincead33 We’ve got answers to your answers.

Lutheran (Gerhard, Calovius, Quenstedt, etc.) objections aren’t the knockout punches they’re made out to be. Catholics, especially Dominicans and Jesuits, have already done the work. We’ve got answers for every one of them.

@CathRoser The language inaugurated underscores his orders [Jesuits] relation to grace per se. This sections follows immediately—as a conclusion—from his treatment of the reformers on the doctrine of grace, hence I believe, serves as the reason for the invocation of the phrase.

@Lafantom3 Obviously besides what’s implicit in the part of the “interior stirring” of grace (i.e. that grace is extrinsically efficacious) and that the certainty of salvation is unqualified: it’s good My summary was just me copy and pasting important parts of session 6 of trent tho lol

God, when the fulness of time was come, sent unto men, Jesus Christ, His own Son, that He might both redeem the Jews who were under the Law, and that the Gentiles, who followed not after justice, might attain to justice, and that all men might receive the adoption of sons

@CathRoser …the merits of his Saviour an heir of the kingdom of Heaven; but he has no certainty of salvation." —Fr. Charles Coppens, S.J.: A Systematic Study of the Catholic Religion, Art 1, Sec 220.

@CathRoser …of free-will, the way is prepared for justification; and, provided that man puts no obstacle in the way, the Holy Spirit works this justification by pouring charity into his soul, thereby destroying sin. The man now purified enters upon a virtuous life, hoping to become by…

@sincead33 @Jordanbellofort @DarthHarryson @RevBWarr Caietanus’ contentions wouldn’t have constituted a broader theological contention church-wide, considering the fact that the books have been ratified nearly 4 times prior to Trent. S. Jerome, however, is a different story.

@Jordanbellofort @DarthHarryson @RevBWarr St. Jerome and Cajetan held the same position as Luther prior to the definition of the Church. Yet they’re both clear that a heretic is one who departs from the faith of the Church on any matter. We know which side they would’ve taken (as for Cajetanus).

Both Jerome and Cajetan agreed with him, by the way (for example) 😉

@papaavalon @WalmartThomist Be accurate your portrayal of give over.

@WalmartThomist Pointing out there is an issue is often how conversations move forward. Those who try to bury it with disregard are often apart of the problem and enable the festering that is taking place. But continue on

Nah

@matthewpao1 @TonyReinke You and I alike, I often find that they [a lot of their supposed divines] were not as bright as portrayed.

@Lafantom3 @TonyReinke I don't think he was all that bright tbh...

Muller: “Aquinas had, most probably, a rudimentary knowledge of Greek.” [PRRD 2:45]

@matthewpao1 @TonyReinke Subsequently, you might find this interesting:

@matthewpao1 @TonyReinke This made me chuckle 😂😂

@Dogmaticist jokingly, the doctrine, notion, and idea of the common doctor to score such points.

@Dogmaticist Again, with all due respect, wouldn’t the imprecision of your comment be additive to the issue? I, alongside you, share equally a disdain for such individuals. Consequently, I simply declare these individuals what they truly are: not well. But never would I implicate, even

Thomism dies as literacy increases.

@Dogmaticist What ever gets clicks I guess.

@Dogmaticist Not to be a sore thumb or anything, but wouldn’t that ratio be applicable to any given abstract noun? Since it’s X, would it be considered viable for one to state “Reformed theology breeds idiocy”? Plus, as far as I’m aware, most of these alleged larpers are on TikTok, not X.