@Abathurchan @sincead33 For we state thus, Canon 749 §3:
“No doctrine is understood as defined infallibly unless this is manifestly evident".
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@Abathurchan @sincead33 You seem to be much confused. The question at hand is not whether we employ deduction in regard to those doctrines set forth expressly in Holy Scripture, but rather those which your own divines affirm to be “deduced by good and necessary consequence.” Regress does not apply:
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I see we are re-litigating 17th century Jesuit use of pyrrhonistic skepticism again.
Kevin Fernandez@sincead33
@TD_Barrett If they hold it by theological conclusion then they don’t hold it by faith. Most grandma’s in the pews hold it by faith, though, again, this is inconsistent with their own paradigm.
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@EddyEkofo I would have you know that such vitriol as you bear toward the Angelic Doctor and the Blessed Virgin availeth not thy soul, but rather standeth as a grievous mark of reprobation.
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The type of Thomist PR I’ve been seeing, only Mariolatry comes first at this rate.
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I'm pretty sure Thomas Aquinas would not have approved of someone converting to Roman Catholicism on the basis of supreme confidence in Thomas Aquinas. In which case...
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@sincead33 @Lafantom3 We are primarily treating the issue of the inability for Protestants to elicit an act of divine faith with respect to the canon but we intend to treat other tertiary related issues such as the formal motive of faith, distinction between inspiration/revelation/infallibility etc.
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It clicked for me a few weeks ago that one of the best arguments against Protestantism does not come from any polemical work (e.g. St. Robert Bellarmine, Stapleton, etc) but is simply found when one reads and understands a Thomistic treatment on the formal object of faith and whether faith is discursive (ST 2-2, q. 1).
I refuse to elaborate. Maybe I'll make a video on it.
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BREAKING ✝️
Pope Leo XIV PROSTRATES before altar in Saint Peter's Basilica on Good Friday
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@CathRoser @LukasNectarios @ruckusofantioch @TheOrthoEnsign If it be no hinderance, could you direct me to that thread?
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@jva20_ @LukasNectarios @ruckusofantioch @TheOrthoEnsign I blocked him for the cope and incredibly disingenuous misreading of Prosper on the very same topic
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finally been reading John Calvin on original sin and yeah I don’t see what the fuss has been about all these years if anything he’s more tame on it and even I find most of it the wildest opponents from the dyerites would agree with in his break down
I think I may have to consider doing a video on Calvin vs Orthodoxy compare his wrongs and rights from our view
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@moirans_fan @CatholicFQ the document grants the Kings of Portugal and Spain to colonise African and Saracen lands, for the purpose of spreading the Catholic faith
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The Great Commission at the end of the Gospel of Matthew is a command to COLONIZE THE WORLD
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@CathRoser @LukasNectarios @ruckusofantioch I propose that it would doth well to bring @TheOrthoEnsign to this intriguing discussion.
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@LukasNectarios @ruckusofantioch That fact that, in restricting hereditary sin to *only* be what God punishes all of man with, he then only specifies this by example of temporal consequences is no coincidence
Again, ESPECIALLY given his views on grace and free will
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@JustinusRomanus @papaavalon do you mean the 1552 edition? 1662 is long after Cranmer
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Orthodox in communion with Rome is a thing...how about Lutheran in communion with Canterbury?
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@TGrudi This is absolute disgusting and the self-hatred is contemptible.
The Gospel preserves and elevates all that is good and holy in every culture, every people, every civilization.
You don't have to be brown to love your people and your history.
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“Do not be surprised that I called the Jews pitiable. They really are pitiable and miserable. When so many blessings from heaven came into their hands, they thrust them aside and were at great pains to reject them.”
- St. John Chrysostom
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@ChildOfStThomas @ashlyntherese Rebellion is a temptation many have fallen into. As Satan once said, "Better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven."
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Cardinal Enrico Noris on the fate of unbaptised infants according to the scholastics:
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@CatholicFQ Vincenzo Gatti, OP, writing for the Index of Forbidden Books in 1864: “did [Christ] say: ‘In exchange for the spiritual good that you will do, exploit them as instruments for your material interests?’ No, He did not”
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@bonesforsales I know but considering that the vast amount of ink being spilled on evincing the claim that St Augustine was proto-Lutheran and the primacy he held amongst other Fathers by your divines, it’s very strange to say that he was overrated.
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Favorite theologian of all time:
Martin Luther
Theologian I dislike:
All anti-Lutherans
Theologian that grew on me:
Origen
Most overrated theologian:
Augustine
Most underrated theologian:
Most pastors
The G.O.A.T.:
Johann Gerhard
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Favorite theologian of all time: Dr. Johann Eck Theologian I dislike: Martin Luther Theologian that grew on me: St. Bellarmine/blessed Dun Scotus Most overrated theologian: Charles Spurgeon Most underrated theologian: Dr. Johann Eck The G.O.A.T.: St. Augustine/St. Thomas
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@ChrisRojas4081 @sincead33 it’s absurd to say an object like the fact of inspiration which is supernatural qua substance can be discerned through scientific judgment
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@sincead33 I have a question about this stuff.
Can’t a Protestant just bite the bullet and say that the fact of inspiration is known by judgement?
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Here is an even more explicit example. Amyraut explicitly says the fact of inspiration is discerned by reasoning from the effect to its cause. While this may give some certainty, this only produces a judgement, not faith.
Kevin Fernandez@sincead33
Your authors reject immediate revelation/testimony and instead affirm mediate testimony. In this case there is no actual faith but just a judgement. I’m not saying you guys have no idea what the canon is. I’m saying you don’t have a consistent way of making an act of faith. Here are a few authors. “Recognition”, “conclude”, etc. is not language pertaining to the assent of faith but of a judgement.
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