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@KetoCarnivore @exfatloss @sudas1891 @MikeCarrato Ketosis (and low glucose): not sufficient for fat loss. Searching for what is.

@exfatloss @StocksnWeights @_benjamin_king Thank you for clarifying that. By the way, I just found the best “protein intake rule”:

@Only1MoreThing @StocksnWeights @_benjamin_king No, 0.72g/kg is roughly the RDA (I think it's 0.8?). There are some studies showing some benefits in some people higher than that, up to about 0.72/lb of bw. That doesn't mean everyone always benefits from that much, only that some benefits have been shown in some people.

Low-protein is confusing to many, and I can see why. I actually hold 2 positions on low-protein. I'd argue that nobody needs more than adequate protein (sort of by definition, right?), but certain people need to restrict protein to reverse obesity & improve glucose control. 1. Adequate protein Nobody benefits from more than 0.72g/lb of bw. That's what the studies show. No, you don't work out harder. This is a "normal, adequate" amount of protein, e.g. 144g of protein for a muscular 200lbs athlete. This is not "low protein" but it's lower than what most gym bros recommend. But it's backed by the science. If you disagree with this your beef is not with me, it's with the scientific literature. Many people tolerate more than this without many issues. Many people tolerate more than this, but have some issues - elevated BUN/creatinine, elevated glucose, depressed metabolism, headaches, not feeling super well, digestive issues.. If you're doing keto/carnivore and your fasting glucose is regularly >90mg/dl, you might want to try lowering protein a little, to adequate levels. You tolerate 999g of protein per day and you love it? Good for you. This is not true for everybody. 2. Very-low protein Restricting protein to ~7% of kcals (say <0.3g protein/lb LBM) leads to FGF-21 and UCP-1 upregulation and mitochondrial "uncoupling," which massively increases cAroliEs out and suppresses hunger. It is also, ironically, "protein sparing" in that you will lose much less lean/muscle mass than when starving yourself by restricting cArOliEs across the board. This is a drastic intervention for obese people who can't seem to lose fat on other, higher-protein diets like carnivore. This isn't everyone, I'd estimate it's maybe 30% of obese who need this, and another 20-30% or so who find it easier and enjoy it more than the high-protein approach, but for whom it is not strictly necessary.

INTRODUCING: The Height-in-inches Protein Rule Your height in inches = your daily protein intake in grams Example: 6’0” = 72” = 72g Maintenance only. Empirical, not derived. #Ketogenic #KetoAF #Lipivore #HeightProteinRule

@KetoCarnivore @raphaels7 @markeatsmeat @exfatloss @Tenuoto @fire_bottle @richcollins @bokkiedog @SBakerMD So if you eat a 2:1 meal, are still hungry, and eat more fat, you maintain that fat-dominant state—unlike adding fat after a 1:1 meal. Is that accurate? Thank you.

@raphaels7 @markeatsmeat @Only1MoreThing @exfatloss @Tenuoto @fire_bottle @richcollins @bokkiedog @SBakerMD I didn't save it, but maybe he could answer.

It was a pleasure to introduce @KetoCarnivore to one of my favorite cuts of beef - the culotte. She introduced me to lamb brains. She didn’t want any croissants, though.

@exfatloss @StocksnWeights @_benjamin_king @exfatloss, when in the OP you said “0.72g/lb of bw”, did you mean “0.72g/Kg of bw”?

@exfatloss @StocksnWeights @_benjamin_king I think he prefers using g/Kg.

@justask66054535 @WoolyJulie @SamaHoole @tnseyfried I’ve been wondering if it’s capillary (finger) or venous (forearm) blood that @tnseyfried @thseyfried’s protocol track (and, if venous, what are the venous glucose, protein, GKI goals).

@WoolyJulie @SamaHoole @tnseyfried Makes sense tho I’m no expert! ❤️

The grain-fed demonization creates artificial scarcity: Only 3% of US beef is grass-finished. If everyone demanded only grass-fed, 97% of people couldn't afford beef. Perfect becomes the enemy of good, making excellent nutrition inaccessible. Sometimes the greater good requires accepting "very good."

@KetoCarnivore Eating fat to appetite first, then protein to appetite seems more natural than eating foods premixed to a given F:P ratio, bc in the first approach each signal gets to express and be answered independently at each meal, revealing true needs rather than approximating them.

@Only1MoreThing No, I think it's a good starting point and that sometimes you need more and sometimes you need less.

Difficulty fasting, even when preconditioned with a low carb diet, is a sign of metabolic impairment. @siobhan_huggins and I have been suggesting / hypothesizing that this might be a good predictor of success with a high fat, lower protein "KetoAF" approach.

@sudas1891 @Fabiensapiens @ScottAppliedSci @sudas1891, by “the carnivore folk” are you referring to “the high-protein and/or low-fat carnivores”?

@Fabiensapiens @ScottAppliedSci My point is that the anti high fat animal food people as well as the carnivore folk both use modern hunter gatherers as some type of proxy for “carnivore diets”. Both are wrong. We need to look further back if we want to know what humans really ate prior to extinctions and ag.

The hunter gatherer diet is NOT wall to wall fatty ribeye. That’s pure fiction and it’s used to fool people.

@KetoCarnivore Do you suspect F:P ≈ 2 per bite is the Goldilocks ratio for arriving at minimum adequate protein — and that going higher (F:P = 2.5, 3, 4+) risks falling below adequacy, because the greater fat load suppresses appetite before enough protein is consumed? Thank you.

By "low", I mean minimum, not less. This would ideally be determined by protein hunger *after* fat hunger is satisfied, or using something like 2:1 with every bite, rather than with calculations. twitter.com/Only1MoreThing…

@GeorgiaEdeMD @RichardJJohns11 @GeorgiaEdeMD, Does this book offer a non 100%-carnivore dietary approach to ADHD that children can follow? Thank you.

@RichardJJohns11 Yes

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@exfatloss I can’t stop laughing. Hilarious even if turns out incorrect.

Microplastics is literally caused by Scientists

@KetoCarnivore @AndrewMorcheles Thank you very much.

@Only1MoreThing @AndrewMorcheles Yes, if you're not losing fat mass. I usually feel better closer to 2:1 than 1:1, provided my digestion is working properly.

The fun thing is that high energy living can also be longevity promoting.

@KetoCarnivore @AndrewMorcheles Amber, in a ketocarnivore context, does sustaining that kind of metabolic output require F:P ≫ 1? And, if so, would you ever consider pushing your own ratio above ≈ 1 toward that longevity/healthspan goal? Thank you.

@AndrewMorcheles Not in the way I think you mean it. I mean that you are generating lots of energy metabolically. That will require a lot of eating and allow a lot of movement, but can't necessarily be caused to happen by eating and exercising.

@exfatloss @Leo_Abstract @CarnivoreAugust @KetoCarnivore @Peter_InNorfolk Who blocked @Leo_Abstract?

@Leo_Abstract @CarnivoreAugust @KetoCarnivore @GuruAnaerobic @Peter_InNorfolk someone agrees with you but he's blocked you

I'm 63 - I eat bananas, mostly with greek yoghurt.

@sudas1891 @Will_of_Europa @BerbarianWizard @sudas1891, I don’t know what metabolic context your two 1500-cal quotes above refer to. If it was a very low insulin:glucagon context and still with body fat reserves to burn, that apparently-low caloric intake might (might) be doable safely for a while?

@Will_of_Europa @BerbarianWizard His poor thyroid amirite Peaters? Low vitamin A though……

Grant Genereux lost weight on 6 cooked cups of rice per day + beans and meat. Estimated 5000 calories daily @BerbarianWizard

@reallyoptimized @markeatsmeat @exfatloss Saladino himself may be responsible for a wave of Carnivore failures due to insisting, against the experience of long term Carnivores, on high intake of liver, and even selling it to people in forms to bypass the taste aversion that likely develops from overload. 3/

@exfatloss @richcollins @603_4me @MeTheAngryCat @Leo_Abstract @KetoCarnivore @TuckerGoodrich @siobhan_huggins I know we’re questioning PKD’s restrictive intake prescription (and the push for organs), but the plan seems conducive to low insulin and is not a plan people would easily come up with or follow long term. So IMO no wily nilly.

@Only1MoreThing @richcollins @603_4me @MeTheAngryCat @Leo_Abstract @KetoCarnivore @TuckerGoodrich @siobhan_huggins If they're assuming that, I think the assumption is clearly wrong. If people could just access their adipose tissue willy nilly we wouldn't have an obesity epidemic.

@TuckerGoodrich @Leo_Abstract @exfatloss @MeTheAngryCat @siobhan_huggins How about you state your hypothesis before we find out?

@hana19860708 Why the glove?

This pizza is enough for dinner tonight 😝❤️

@richcollins @KetoCarnivore @exfatloss @603_4me @MeTheAngryCat @Leo_Abstract @TuckerGoodrich @siobhan_huggins Of course I don’t know what Rich’s body fat % was. I was speculating that Paleomedicina might have found his then BF % adequate to make up the energy gap during their intervention.

@KetoCarnivore @Only1MoreThing @exfatloss @603_4me @MeTheAngryCat @Leo_Abstract @TuckerGoodrich @siobhan_huggins Currently weight stable at 175/170 (glycogen replete vs depleted)

@exfatloss @richcollins @603_4me @MeTheAngryCat @Leo_Abstract @KetoCarnivore @TuckerGoodrich @siobhan_huggins Could PKD not be assuming that, in such very-low insulin context, @richcollins’ body fat could fill the energy need gap?

@richcollins @603_4me @MeTheAngryCat @Leo_Abstract @KetoCarnivore @TuckerGoodrich @siobhan_huggins Eating too much on 1650kcal/day?? WTF that's insane.