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@TorenTYlfa

Celtic With a dash of Viking ๐ŸฉธCA|SA Survivor|Ex- ๐Ÿฅ‹Biochem๐Ÿงฌ|Psych|Child Psych.(https://t.co/5R3XCJwZ95) Psalm 28:3 โœ๏ธ #freepalestine

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About Me Hi ๐Ÿ‘‹ Iโ€™m Toren. Celtic born, Protestant Irish raised, with a dash of viking ๐Ÿฉธ Spiritual at my core, but shaped by a lineage of grit, and endurance. A bit about who I am: I live with Cโ€‘PTSD amongst other things and carry the weight of Child abuse /sexual assault survival, and I donโ€™t hide it. I speak from trauma, not around it. My voice is shaped by lived experience, not theory. Iโ€™m a mental health advocate, an exโ€‘martial artist, a biochemist, a psych mind, and a child psych learner who blends science with spirit, logic with myth, and evidence with intuition. Iโ€™m extremely outspoken, not for shock, but for truth. I am also very blunt. Silence protects abusers. Voice protects survivors. I choose a voice every time. What I stand for: Iโ€™m a trans ally. loudly, unapologetically, and without negotiation. If that bothers you, unfollow me. No, Really! Iโ€™m not here to shrink for anyoneโ€™s comfort. Boring bit: Biochem ๐Ÿงฌ|Psychology| Child Psych| CBT, DBT, REBT, EFT, TFT, NLP Fun Stuff: Lover of tattoos, books ๐Ÿ“š, Audiobooks, films. #ChildAbuseSurvivor #RapeSurvivor #SurvivorVoice
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Oh you mean just like the time you attempted to check people's genitalia before they entered the bathroom, tell me something. How did that go Helen? social contracts do matter but theyโ€™re not about controlling peopleโ€™s identities. Theyโ€™re about living in a society where we recognise each otherโ€™s dignity, even when weโ€™re different. Again, this is just recycled tropes that were once aimed towards the gay community.
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Helen Staniland
Helen Staniland@helenstanilandยท
@theklutzydom @Glinner Yes, of course we can control it. Social contracts are important - and you should be pleased about this.
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Miffy@miffythegamerยท
Replace the word โ€œtransgenderโ€ with โ€œgayโ€ or โ€œblackโ€ or โ€œdisabledโ€. The problem is transphobia has become so normalised in the U.K. that many folks have become desensitised to the repulsive levels of bigotry spewed out by the likes of @roisinmurphy.
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the idea that โ€œconfused kids are being given puberty blockersโ€ isnโ€™t supported by how healthcare actually works @HadleyFreeman Puberty blockers arenโ€™t handed out casually theyโ€™re considered only after thorough assessment by qualified clinicians, and only for young people experiencing persistent, significant distress. Whatโ€™s important is this: blockers donโ€™t cause permanent changes. They pause puberty so a young person and their healthcare team have time to understand whatโ€™s going on. Theyโ€™ve been used safely for decades in other medical contexts, like treating early puberty. And every major medical body including the NHS, the Endocrine Society, and the American Academy of Pediatrics treats them as a cautious, reversible option that can reduce distress while professionals continue to evaluate what a young person needs. This isnโ€™t about โ€œconfused kids.โ€ Itโ€™s about evidenceโ€‘based care, clinical oversight, and reducing harm.
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max eris tรถsapรฅg@bubblecumbarbieยท
gonna start dropping songs because โ€bubblecum barbieโ€ is too good of a name to waste on lot being an artist!
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Simon Gregory
Simon Gregory@SimonGBUKยท
@TorenTYlfa The belief that trans women are born female is a retarded take, that has no bearing on reality ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
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The "Dumbfuck" around here is you, (@SimonGBUK) So again: respectfully you are wrong again: You keep asking for a biology textbook that shows how a โ€œmental health problemโ€ changes an XX person into an XY person or vice versa. That question assumes: that being trans is defined as โ€œchanging chromosomesโ€ that gender identity is reducible to chromosomes that medical transition claims to alter karyotype that gender dysphoria is a โ€œmental health problemโ€ in the sense youโ€™re implying None of these assumptions are correct. Itโ€™s like demanding a cardiology textbook proves that depression doesnโ€™t change your blood type. The question itself is misaligned with the field it claims to interrogate. 2. Chromosomes determine gamete type not gender identity Chromosomes (XX, XY, and the many DSDโ€‘related variations) determine the type of gametes a body is organised to produce. Thatโ€™s it. They do not: determine personality determine identity determine behaviour determine social role determine psychological traits determine gender identity Biology is not a single-factor system. It is multiโ€‘layered, involving: genetics epigenetics prenatal hormone exposure neurodevelopment endocrine pathways phenotype secondary sex characteristics socialisation environment Reducing all of human experience to chromosomes is not biology itโ€™s a slogan. 3. Gender identity is a neurodevelopmental trait, not a chromosomal one Every major medical organisation including the American Psychological Association, the Endocrine Society, the American Medical Association, the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, and the NHS recognises that gender identity is a neurodevelopmental trait. That means: it forms early in development it is influenced by prenatal hormone exposure it is associated with measurable brainโ€‘structure differences it is not determined by chromosomes This is why trans people exist across cultures, across history, and across chromosomal configurations. 4. Gender dysphoria is not โ€œa mental health problem that changes sexโ€ Gender dysphoria is a diagnostic term describing distress, not identity. It does not claim: that chromosomes change that gametes change that karyotype change It simply describes the psychological impact of a mismatch between someoneโ€™s gender identity and their assigned sex. The treatment for dysphoria is not โ€œchanging chromosomes.โ€ It is aligning the body with the personโ€™s gender identity through: social transition hormonal transition surgical transition (for those who choose it) This is the same principle used in countless areas of medicine: treat the distress by addressing the underlying cause, not by forcing the body to conform to a chromosomal abstraction. 5. Medical transition changes biological characteristics just not chromosomes You keep asking for a textbook showing chromosomes changing. No such textbook exists because no one claims that happens. What medical transition does change: hormone levels secondary sex characteristics fat distribution muscle mass skin texture hair patterns voice (for trans men) breast tissue (for trans women and men) genital anatomy (for those who pursue surgery) endocrine function These are all biological changes. They are measurable, predictable, and medically documented. Chromosomes are not the sole determinant of biological sex. They are one component of a multiโ€‘factorial system. 6. DSDs are not a shield or a weapon they are simply part of human variation Youโ€™ve repeatedly invoked DSDs as though they are somehow being โ€œusedโ€ by trans people. That framing misunderstands both groups. DSDs are variations in sex development involving: chromosomes gonads hormones anatomy They demonstrate that biological sex is not a strict binary it is a spectrum with typical patterns and atypical variations. Trans people are not โ€œhiding behindโ€ DSDs.
Simon Gregory@SimonGBUK

@TorenTYlfa @HaunterCreative The only dumbfuck around here is you, thinking "lady feelings" magically turns a man into a women ๐Ÿ˜‚ Once again, you think this is a women because he says he is ๐Ÿ˜‚

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Simon Gregory
Simon Gregory@SimonGBUKยท
@TorenTYlfa Hahahahahahaha, FFS, that's the most retarded take yet, but it does show that yes, you are a TRA ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
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Itโ€™s always the same routine: a long, overconfident monologue about โ€œdevelopmental pathwaysโ€ and โ€œmisclassification errors,โ€ all just to circle back to the same two lines โ€œsex is binaryโ€ and โ€œmen canโ€™t be women.โ€ Trans women are women. They donโ€™t need to justify their existence to you, or pass some ideological purity test youโ€™ve invented. But by all means, feel free to deliver another lecture that ends exactly where it started. Iโ€™m sure itโ€™ll be very enlightening.
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Kate
Kate@trinnasยท
There are two developmental pathways that are mutually exclusive. Doesnโ€™t get more binary than that. Because disorders exist does not make that not the case. Variations within a category is not a case for categories not existing at all. Go ahead and pretend on though you seem determined to think that men can be women and vice versa.
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itโ€™s adorable that you think repeating โ€œsex is binaryโ€ at increasing volume somehow resolves the conversation. (Yes, gamete categories are binary nobody is disputing that.) But human sex development is bimodal, with wellโ€‘documented variation across traits and pathways. Thatโ€™s not a โ€œclassification error,โ€ itโ€™s just how biology actually behaves.
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Kate
Kate@trinnasยท
@TorenTYlfa @GeumpyCabin Obviously you donโ€™t understand. Youโ€™ve shown it repeatedly. Sex is binary. Characteristics are bimodal. Again, a classification error on your part.
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Iโ€™m delighted weโ€™ve now arrived at โ€œgamete types are binary,โ€ as if repeating that somehow resolves the entire conversation. Yes, gamete categories are binary nobody is disputing that. But human sex development is bimodal, with wellโ€‘documented variation across traits, pathways, and outcomes. Thatโ€™s not ideology, itโ€™s just the literature. So no, it isnโ€™t me misclassifying anything. Itโ€™s you insisting that a bimodal system must behave like a perfect binary because it feels simpler.
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Kate
Kate@trinnasยท
@TorenTYlfa @GeumpyCabin Yes human variation exists. Human gamete type variation is binary. It is not me making misclassification errors here it is you.
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thank you for the grand tour of concepts I already understood โ€” all to land on the breathtaking revelation that โ€œsex is binary and immutable.โ€ You couldโ€™ve just opened with that instead of pretending the detour proved something new. And yes โ€” sex is bimodal. Thatโ€™s the actual, wellโ€‘documented scientific reality. Binary categories exist, but the underlying biology is bimodal and variable, not the cartoon version you keep insisting on. See? Succinct
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Kate
Kate@trinnasยท
If you know all this then you know that sex is binary and immutable in humans. Itโ€™s pretty simple really. Disorders donโ€™t define human characteristics, also pretty simple. Yet you pretend that diversity of phenotype somehow makes those classifications moot. Itโ€™s intellectual dishonesty at its finest. By the way the word you were looking for is succinct.
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thank you for the very dramatic detour into thalidomide Iโ€™m sure the comparison felt profound in your head. But pointing out that a drugโ€‘induced limb defect doesnโ€™t redefine โ€œbipedalโ€ doesnโ€™t actually prove what you think it does. It just shows youโ€™re mixing categories again. Human variation exists. Developmental differences exist. None of that magically collapses into the tidy little boxes you keep insisting are โ€œsimple.โ€ Biology isnโ€™t simple โ€” your interpretation is.
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Kate
Kate@trinnasยท
@TorenTYlfa @GeumpyCabin No that shows exactly how biology works. Thats why thalidomide babies arenโ€™t used to define humans as not bipedal. An anti-angiogenesis drug that causes defects doesnโ€™t redefine basic human biology any more than a developmental disorder redefines sex.
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thank you so much for the remedial lecture I was terrified Iโ€™d somehow made it through life without grasping the concept of gamete pathways. ( Sarcasm) Rest assured, I do understand it. Truly. Deeply. I promise I didnโ€™t need the โ€œNo shit, Sherlockโ€ preface to catch up. But repeating โ€œsex is binary because gametesโ€ doesnโ€™t magically make human development as simple as you want it to be. Biology isnโ€™t a slogan, even if you deliver it like a plot twist. And yes, I know XX/XY is shorthand Iโ€™m familiar with the idea that scientists use shorthand without forgetting the underlying complexity. Wild, I know.
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Kate
Kate@trinnasยท
No shit Sherlock. Secondary sex characteristics donโ€™t define sex. The gamete pathway does. Thats how every DSD is charactisic of a sex, and that sex is a binary option, male or female. It is some developmental disorder along that pathway. You see thatโ€™s how science delineates sex; not some โ€œI feel like something I have zero frame of reference forโ€ mumbo jumbo. Of course having to lay that out to people constantly is not helpful so science uses shorthand desingnations like XX/XY. Unfortunately that leads people like you to think you understand something when you donโ€™t.
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Also, calling every anatomical variation a โ€œdevelopmental disorderโ€ only shows how rigid your framework is, not how biology works. People can be born without, or lose, reproductive organs for many reasons and none of that changes their sex or their identity. Reducing human variation to โ€œsimpleโ€ rules isnโ€™t science, itโ€™s oversimplification dressed up as certainty.
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Kate
Kate@trinnasยท
@TorenTYlfa @GeumpyCabin PS a man without a prostate is a developmental disorder, a woman without a prostate is normal. A man without a uterus is normal, a woman without a uterus is a developmental disorder. Itโ€™s really pretty simple.
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you keep accusing me of โ€œjust enough knowledge,โ€ but everything youโ€™ve written here actually proves my point: secondary sex characteristics donโ€™t define sex, and neither do chromosomes on their own. Biology is complex, not a shorthand slogan. And saying every developmental variation is โ€œcharacteristic of the sex of the personโ€ is just a circular way of insisting your conclusion is true. Thatโ€™s not science thatโ€™s belief dressed up as certainty.
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Kate
Kate@trinnasยท
And we are back to just enough. Knowledge to think you sound smart but not enough to know youโ€™re not. Secondary sex characteristics donโ€™t define sex and developmental disorders do not change your sex. Every single developmental disorder is characteristic of the sex of the person. If you were an actual scientist you would know we use shorthand definitions like xx/xy much of the time because it shortens the conversation not because we donโ€™t understand what is going on or even more stupidly โ€œbecause sex is a spectrumโ€.
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Dragnet
Dragnet@dragnet1979ยท
@PaulSimon1972 @TorenTYlfa This man is a crank. Not only does he believe that transwomen are female, he believes they were actually female at birth!
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About Me Hi ๐Ÿ‘‹ Iโ€™m Toren. Celtic born, Protestant Irish raised, with a dash of viking ๐Ÿฉธ Spiritual at my core, but shaped by a lineage of grit, and endurance. A bit about who I am: I live with Cโ€‘PTSD amongst other things and carry the weight of Child abuse /sexual assault survival, and I donโ€™t hide it. I speak from trauma, not around it. My voice is shaped by lived experience, not theory. Iโ€™m a mental health advocate, an exโ€‘martial artist, a biochemist, a psych mind, and a child psych learner who blends science with spirit, logic with myth, and evidence with intuition. Iโ€™m extremely outspoken, not for shock, but for truth. I am also very blunt. Silence protects abusers. Voice protects survivors. I choose a voice every time. What I stand for: Iโ€™m a trans ally. loudly, unapologetically, and without negotiation. If that bothers you, unfollow me. No, Really! Iโ€™m not here to shrink for anyoneโ€™s comfort. Boring bit: Biochem ๐Ÿงฌ|Psychology| Child Psych| CBT, DBT, REBT, EFT, TFT, NLP Fun Stuff: Lover of tattoos, books ๐Ÿ“š, Audiobooks, films. #ChildAbuseSurvivor #RapeSurvivor #SurvivorVoice
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PaulSimon1972
PaulSimon1972@PaulSimon1972ยท
@TorenTYlfa When we use the word MALE you can be assured we are receding tk NATAL SEX , sry gene and almost always XY chromosome Are you going to make us type that all out every time? Trans woman are MALE
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PaulSimon1972
PaulSimon1972@PaulSimon1972ยท
@TorenTYlfa Hi canโ€™t prove any of the above is not true-because it is all true
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