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please do not do this

Mažeikiai, Lietuva Katılım Mart 2017
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94SweetGoats
94SweetGoats@94SweetGoats·
@FogfieldProject Imagine that red wins, but 49% chose blue, half of children die, the world collapses. I'm not certain that Mad Max is a good life. And I know many red voters might try to play it tough, but would commit suicide immediately after this happens.
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Fogfield Project
Fogfield Project@FogfieldProject·
This isn't an exercise in logic or ethics or game theory or anything like that, it's an exercise in *semiotics*. Something about this *framing* of the problem, in English, on Twitter, messes with your head and makes you pattern-match to problems where blue is the better answer.
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy

Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?

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94SweetGoats
94SweetGoats@94SweetGoats·
@SincereHyp44120 @robertlasagna1 1. It's basically impossible that 100% pick red. Probably at most 75% 2. I assumed by private he meant no coordination (It's a vague question tbh)
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Sincere Hypocrite (Orthochud)
Sincere Hypocrite (Orthochud)@SincereHyp44120·
@robertlasagna1 1. There is no downside to picking red if everyone picks red, so depending on framing, blue isn't the only altruistic choice. 2. You can condemn you and your loved ones if you had foreknowledge or reasonable prediction that the vast majority will choose red. So context matters.
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garfieldbot@robertlasagna1·
I retract what I said yesterday. The actual divide in the button bullshit is between people who see a hypothetical and treat it as a logic puzzle or a game, because it is a clickbait on the Internet, and they remain detached and treat it as what it is, and remain cognisant of their and everyone else's relationship to the question, "we are all posting about it on the Internet", and people who become *immersed* in the question, and treat everyone else as part of the thought experiment, in their head, and go insane and make incredibly rude claims about the other people talking about it, because they are narcissist projectioning their own cruelty, "the only way I would vote red would be if I wanted to kill", and then it goes back and forth between two imaginary isles that don't actually exist, but are just a blob of people hallucinating that there is a big evil team out to get them and they are all in on it together
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Don't bother replying, you're wrong
Don't bother replying, you're wrong@real_irl_nigga·
@robertlasagna1 They're also hallucinating an ingroup of suicidal saviours Who are they trying to save that's too stupid to pick red? People like them, or people they think are dumber than them? If everyone understands the rules, 100% of people SHOULD pick red, so who are they trying to save?
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94SweetGoats
94SweetGoats@94SweetGoats·
@robertlasagna1 I think it's more that one side is playing a zero-sum game and the other is taking on risk to avoid the zero-sum game, and that pisses people off for some reason, and also half of all voters cannot even read the question and are answering something else entirely.
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PebbleofTexas
PebbleofTexas@TJPofTexas·
Wrong. Blue requires you to risk your life unnecessarily. Jesus died to destroy the blue button. Obey God: Live forever Disobey God: If a majority of God's creation disobeys God, they will not immediately die. Eve chose to disobey God AND to lead Adam to do the same. The Devil told her: "You will NOT surely die!"
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𝖓𝖎𝖓𝖊 🕯
𝖓𝖎𝖓𝖊 🕯@atlanticesque·
Yes, another "thought experiment" has hit the timeline and nerdsniped all the rationalists. No, they still have not learned what a thought experiment is.
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94SweetGoats
94SweetGoats@94SweetGoats·
@SakrajdaS @atlanticesque In the Christian system, Lucifer picks red because his rationality demands it, and Jesus picks blue because he contains more than the purely rational (and I can justify that with "He died for your sins" ask red-button Christians to deny that one)
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a@SakrajdaS·
@atlanticesque Pushing red is the rational but anti-christian choice. It's better to be a blue pushing martyr than a red pushing murderer
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94SweetGoats
94SweetGoats@94SweetGoats·
@keysmashbandit If I can telepathically and magically explain the nuance of the dilemma to all my loved ones, my chance of voting red increases by maybe 10%.
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keysmashbandit@keysmashbandit·
Before you answer the button thing you have to try to explain it to your mom or grandmother
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94SweetGoats
94SweetGoats@94SweetGoats·
@Pagefile0x00 @aimeebalthazar @neosovietposter The closest problem I can think of is "would you personally try to stop someone else doing a genocide if it was a risk to your life? If enough people try Hitler loses, if not enough, Hitler wins"
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Doctor Tom
Doctor Tom@neosovietposter·
Oh I see what the problem is. Red pushers have simply come to the conclusion we do not live in a real world where real things have occurred and, perplexingly, continue to occur as we speak and very likely will keep on occurring for at least as long as we can reliably predict.
Diane Yap@RealDianeYap

Seems really hard for blue voters to understand but each individual’s choices are their own and so are the consequences of those choices. None one else bears any responsibility.

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94SweetGoats@94SweetGoats·
@Pagefile0x00 @neosovietposter Yeah, it is a very stupid question at the end of the day. I even suspect a quarter of voters don't even understand exactly what the scenario is (many thought that only rational actors were included, not everyone) It's interesting but it's not a real problem.
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Pagefile@Pagefile0x00·
@neosovietposter These buttons aren't real things that have occured and thus don't tell you anything real about anyone's morality
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94SweetGoats
94SweetGoats@94SweetGoats·
@NCyotee Remember when the American military did an operation to save that guy stranded in Iran? That's blue-button. If you don't have faith your comrades will fight for you, you lose the war. Good chance you die, your country loses, die in vain. But if enough fight hard, they all win
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94SweetGoats
94SweetGoats@94SweetGoats·
@TheLastNeocon @stormynormy42 @ImNotOwned That would make the English vote the tie-breaker, so blue is even more important. But I didn't assume it was in any one particular language because it didn't say it. It DID explicitly say "Everyone on Earth votes privately". Big difference.
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drew
drew@ImNotOwned·
Reds are so high iq that they can’t think hard enough to understand that many kids will choose at random, people won’t read hard enough to understand if everyone hit red everyone lives, etc. Blue obvious choice if you value living in a society at all. We do have an obligation to not wipe other people off the earth if it’s preventable.
just matt@questionableway

struggling to understand the insistence that reds are higher iq

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MQ-9 Reaper Stan Account 🇺🇸 🇺🇦
MQ-9 Reaper Stan Account 🇺🇸 🇺🇦@TheLastNeocon·
@ImNotOwned No it isn’t. The point of the question inherently assumes all voters understand what they are voting for. I don’t think people incapable of understanding things have moral value anyway because that understanding is what makes us humans, so the question would raise different…
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Steve
Steve@r_u_thinking·
ok i'll rephrase everyone who understands the ramifications of pushing the buttons, doesn't want to commit suicide and isn't a psychopath bent on taking the world down with them will push red it's human nature - you're going to act in your own self interest. when that interest is your life, that action is GUARANTEED. there's no greater motivator
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Fletcher Dunn
Fletcher Dunn@ZPostFacto·
If Blue lost, after all the "credulous suckers" were killed, expect mass red suicides from the loss of loved ones who made the "mistake" of chosing empathy. "My vote wouldnt have changed the outcome" or "they made an illogical choice" would only salve the truly hardest heart.
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Sam Knight
Sam Knight@sam_knight87669·
@ZPostFacto The only way I would vote blue would be if I knew it was the deciding vote. Otherwise, it would be unethical to enter into a suicide pact just because other people may have entered the same suicide pact.
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94SweetGoats
94SweetGoats@94SweetGoats·
@sam_knight87669 @ZPostFacto If ONLY sane and highly intelligent people voted, and I knew that, I'd go red. The question included non-rational actors and could mean the collapse of society, so my hand is forced to go blue.
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Sam Knight
Sam Knight@sam_knight87669·
@ZPostFacto Are we changing the scenario to claim voters are actually mistaken and that no sane person would actually choose blue?
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Dostedt@dtrogers_2·
@Logo_Daedalus God Himself is a red button pusher. He literally can save everyone but chooses not to.
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R.Сам 🦋🐏@Logo_Daedalus·
Blue Red test only separates those who are willing to risk their lives in pursuit of universal recognition (blue) & human animals (red). Of course the human animal position is rationalized as “more rational, less risky” in some zero sum game theoretic calculus— & animals are always “rational”— what is “irrational” to the animal is the higher rationality of the Holy Spirit.
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94SweetGoats
94SweetGoats@94SweetGoats·
@rtalbot @LeGigacat @EricRichards22 If I press red and red wins I have lost unfathomable things. It would mean devastation. Red voters can only think in terms of "live or die" and not about anything else in the world.
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94SweetGoats
94SweetGoats@94SweetGoats·
@RealDianeYap No, we all understood the risk. Did you understand that OP went on to clarify that toddlers are being teleported into a private vote?
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94SweetGoats
94SweetGoats@94SweetGoats·
@3RenChengHu While you cannot influence other voters, elections are essentially ways to discover what was already going to be chosen. Doesn't mean voting is useless, because if it were nobody would ever vote. Election outcomes are decided by most votes, only a small percentage don't matter.
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Against Narrative
Against Narrative@3RenChengHu·
Since you have virtually no chance of tipping the balance in an election with 8 billion voters, pushing blue might kill you and almost certainly won't save anyone.
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy

Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?

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