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I got blocked by Jay Dyer, I think that means I achieved theosis 💀🤣

This is some kind of new online myth that EO generally affirm PSA and imputed guilt

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@Just4Tweets1986 @RefRetrieval you're the one quote tweeting it

@RefRetrieval God desires salvation even for those who reject Him. If you agree, I don't know why you're wasting time arguing.

Yes, God desires the salvation even of those who reject Him. He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. Jesus loves us all

@PatrologyVotary @EdwinNunez1646 Honestly they're becoming dyerites not Eastern Orthodox. Easternism is bad a lot of reasons but the reasons that draw these guys are not even real Eastern Orthodoxy.

@EdwinNunez1646 Remarkable, though unsurprising, that the Open Theists are discovering and becoming enamoured with Eastern Heterodoxy. They have so much in common, as here in their mutual allergy to cross-examination and integrity.

Interesting block just as I was about to respond lol! I guess that conversation is never happening 😅 sorry everyone

@rootcausesleuth Hahaha, though, they don't teach the dark ages anymore, it's been disproven 😉 Andddd, the Romanists couldn't have made it so far with their falsities if they didn't blend it with the truth (Augustinian election) haha 😉😄

@AgentCLol1 One could argue that there were reasons for calling it the Dark Ages 😆 jk bro

My family member met with a non-denim Christian today who was converting to Catholicism and one reason was bc he thought Calvinistic predestination was the only Protestant view, and incorrect.

@rootcausesleuth @JoeNorthR828 I am not ascribing a percentage to the amount of arrogant people*

@rootcausesleuth @JoeNorthR828 I'm clearly talking about people complaining about it being 99% for that reason and I am ascribing a percentage to the amount of arrogant people. Again, you could probably find the same percentage problem amongst any of us. If you go back that's not what I mean by 99%.

@JoeNorthR828 @rootcausesleuth I think this is a broadly Christian problem because we possess the truth that the world doesn't have. We see the light and we know that the light is better than the darkness, so we perceive our thoughts as higher than others. This is true, but we have to resist arrogance.

@JoeNorthR828 @rootcausesleuth I think we are all liable to that because by necessity one believes that their view is better than someone else's view in order to be holding it. Pride is a human sin and we're all liable to it. I think we could all do good to have openness of mind all around.

@rootcausesleuth It's actually not predominantly the augustinian school, though you could argue Augustine influenced the other schools. No matter which way you square it, the medieval church had a predominantly augustinian view of predestination.

@AgentCLol1 Yes, Augustine did have quite an influence

@rootcausesleuth @JoeNorthR828 I don't think it's entirely one-sided but I reject that there is a wide swaft of pompous arrogant Calvinists walking around compared to Arminians or provisionists or Molinists. If anything I think it's comparable percentage wise on all sides. I've been on 3/4 sides and seen it.

@AgentCLol1 @JoeNorthR828 Ah, it’s that one-sided, eh?

@rootcausesleuth Also Peter Lombard, Peter of Tarentaise, and Bradwardine as other examples. Also add the schools- Thomists/Dominicans, Augustinians, and much of the older Franciscan stream. There was a broad Latin Augustinian current on election to life before the Reformation or Calvin or Luther

@rootcausesleuth I did not say "fully Calvinistic." I said more akin to Calvinism. Before Molinism, the main Roman schools were broadly Augustinian on election to life. Anselm, Bonaventure, Aquinas, Giles of Rome, Gregory of Rimini, and even Scotus in a qualified sense hold our view on election.

@rootcausesleuth @JoeNorthR828 Yeah so a lot of the problem of so-called "arrogant" Calvinists is just people witnessing the response to non-Calvinists being rude or unfair to Calvinists which is bound to make those Calvinists frustrated. 99% of the time it's a self caused problem.

@AgentCLol1 @JoeNorthR828 Yeah, telling someone what they believe isn’t really a good strategy. I agree.

@rootcausesleuth @JoeNorthR828 No disrespect to you, but that wasn't my point. I agree that there's a wide range of variation, I was more so pointing out that despite where you are in that range if you're a Calvinist people are always telling you what you believe and insisting you don't know what you believe.

@AgentCLol1 @JoeNorthR828 There is a WIDE range of beliefs in Calvinism, so a well meaning interlocutor is almost guaranteed to “not understand Calvinism” when talking w person A

@rootcausesleuth What do you doubt?

@AgentCLol1 Doubt that

@JoeNorthR828 @rootcausesleuth 99% of the time people say this about your average Calvinist, they mean "I told Calvinist he/she believes *x* and the Calvinist responded with passionate disdain at the accusation, which now means Calvinists are meanies." Or they mean James White, which is one guy.

@rootcausesleuth If this person has had many conversations with Calvinists, then that probably aided in their decision. They can be some of the most arrogant, condescending jerks when trying to discuss the ramifications of their theology!

@ProvisionistP None. But there's a difference between someone materially heretical yet open to correction, and one who, after correction, remains obstinate and thus is truly a heretic (in form). Interestingly Papists, EO, Lutherans, Anglicans, and Calvinists all affirm Original Guilt.

1. A denial of Original Guilt (from birth) is Pelagianism. 2. Pelagianism is a denial of Christianity. 3. A denial of OG is a denial of Christianity. Calvinists, which of these if false, if any?