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The policy is: if they come with nonsense, all concepts of decorum, reason and propriety are out the window. I will absolutely be vulgar, rude, dismissive and reflect their energy. Respect must be reciprocal. Otherwise it is weaponized by the vile.

@illyriusx @rian_vlbt I'm not thick. Your point is seen. I'm just not abandoning the traditional argument while using the literature to prop up personal opinions. What you're doing is its own synthesis.

@AtreiLeonidas @rian_vlbt 😩😩😩😩 You’re just not seeing my point man

The Henads are not unqualified metaphysical equals to the One, and so the idea of ‘polycentricity’ fails. The Gods would not each be the unqualified source of all reality. That would be God.

@Noticing_Evil @deepthoughtburn @SeedOilDsrspctr If Lazaridis et al., and several other geneticists haven't (all studies are out there) do you think I'm about to do the trick? For free? Nah.

@AtreiLeonidas @deepthoughtburn @SeedOilDsrspctr I don't think it's a waste of time, you likely won't change his mind but it's not about him. People ignorant on the issue seeing the conversation could realize that ancient Greeks weren't nordic.

They could have chosen any random Greek weather girl to be Helen of Troy

@illyriusx @rian_vlbt No. "Real" in the ontic sense is exactly what the One isn't. Proclus: beyond ousia, the cause of reality w/o being a "thing" in it. Ineffability isn't a "moment" we patch w/ pre-Intellect mind. We discourse apophatically to preserve transcendence, not bite Parmenides' bullet.

THANK YOU. You finally said it. It is REAL. Now replace real with consciousness/pre-intellective mind and I agree with everything else you say. The reason I am going so hard on this topic is because it is the only weak point that we have against those who follow parmenides today. We have to bite this bullet, but really, it isn’t even a bullet at all. It’s literally just a moment in all of the other moments we have when we think of the one, like its ineffability.

@Noticing_Evil @deepthoughtburn @SeedOilDsrspctr You're not about to waste more of my time.

@deepthoughtburn @SeedOilDsrspctr @AtreiLeonidas Here's a typical nordicist, explain to him how wrong he is.

@Noticing_Evil Neither is Lupita. She makes more than you. You can unclench.

@AtreiLeonidas It's a movie, they're not coming as refugees in my country.

Afrocentrists Eurocentrists. Two sad wings of the same sick bird, trying to lay its egg in someone else’s nest. Greek culture: the nest. If they’re so similar, why are they always fighting?

@Noticing_Evil Your superior opinion: replace me oh white man. I might as well not be here. Take me out daddy. I will happily let you. Not that darkie over there, just you. You misspelt "pathetic"

@AtreiLeonidas Because I don't have to choose between a rigid opinion and a horrible opinion, I have my own superior opinion. :)

@Noticing_Evil @HellenicEm22330 Poor analogy. Your culture isn't an egg. Your likeness and presence in these stories is crucial. If they can source an army from Bulgaria, right across from you but not FROM YOU, it better start mattering.

@AtreiLeonidas @HellenicEm22330 A brown egg is a brown egg even if it comes from a neighbour's hen and not my own. It doesn't matter that much to me.

@Noticing_Evil So why are you still here two days later running apologetics for everyone and their momma except your own?

@AtreiLeonidas Me not being rigid about it, I can admit that if I had to choose, I'd choose to adopt your views on the matter instead of a leftist's.

@illyriusx @rian_vlbt It's real precisely because it transcends being (epekeina tēs ousias). Not "nothing," but the source of all unity w/o division. Apophasis isn't silence. Your binary ("real like Nous or literally nothing") misses the hierarchy Plotinus & Proclus built. Read Elements of Theology

@AtreiLeonidas @rian_vlbt Is the one real or is it literally nothing and therefore not… Is it or is it not? How come if it is so unqualifiedly utterly ineffable, you’re still talking about it?

@Noticing_Evil @HellenicEm22330 Eric Bana is the Trojan Horse. Nice Horsey...better than that African gazelle! Meanwhile after you fall asleep...they're ramming through your shit like it's prison. I dunno how else to give it to you.

@HellenicEm22330 @AtreiLeonidas Eric Bana passes for Mediterranean easily, the one who played his cousin too. Orlando Bloom as well. I agree though, nordicists who claim ancient Greeks were "aryans" are annoying.

@Noticing_Evil Yeah at some point someone has to say "No." No "not, thank you." No "not tonight!" No "not so deep!" Just "no."

@AtreiLeonidas I said rigid, not a violation to the accuracy of the story.

@illyriusx @rian_vlbt I'm not employing gotchas. You literally misuse the literature. See Rep. 509b, Enn. 6.9, Proclus ET 1-5). You're smuggling monism/Brahman into Neoplatonism then crying 'gotcha' when called on it. Ineffability isn't a dodge but your positive predicates certainly are. Read!

I’m not conflating anything. You’re just very disingenuous with your “gotchas”, constantly critiquing my terminology when you know very well that the One being ineffable means we literally can’t talk about it. But, you still talk about it indirectly, but criticize me for talking about it and saying it’s real. You want the One to literally be absolutely, unqualifiedly nothing and the source of reality at the same time. It can’t be both. Either we can talk about the One or we literally can’t talk about it at all. If we can talk about it, then what I’m saying is valid.

@rian_vlbt @illyriusx Different grammars = Fence sitting. Vedanta finds ultimate reality by diving into the immediate Subject (Atman). Damascius finds it by hitting a wall of absolute, non-subjective Transcendence. You can’t sublate the sublater. Ultimate Interiority V Radical Precondition.

The whole point of saying sat-cit-ananta are merely lakṣaṇas is that Brahman cannot ultimately be objectified, conceptualized, predicated, or even positively stabilized as a metaphysical “thing” standing underneath appearances. Śaṅkara is explicit over and over that Brahman is beyond all pramāṇas, beyond speech and mind (yato vāco nivartante aprāpya manasā saha), and that even apparently affirmative predicates are purely adhyāropic and later sublated. The contrast you are drawing between “Presence/Substratum” and “Radical Alterity” risks collapsing back into a cataphatic vs apophatic rhetorical difference rather than a genuinely clean metaphysical opposition. In fact, Damascius himself pushes negation so radically that the “Precondition” cannot meaningfully function as an opposed positive category either. The Ineffable is not “other” in the ordinary sense, since alterity itself already presupposes determinacy and relational structure. Likewise, Advaita’s Brahman is not “presence” in the ontic sense, because sat there does not mean a highest being or substance (οὐσία), but absolute non-negatable reality, and even this is much more about ourselves, not a description of itself. So no, the “final geometry” is not nearly as straightforward as “substratum vs alterity.” Both systems are trying to indicate something prior to determinate being, intellection, and predication itself; they simply deploy different metaphysical grammars and different dialectical strategies to approach that limit.

@Noticing_Evil It's ridiculous that you would see no issue with your replacement provided it was dressed as inconspicuously as possible but see my views as a violation. You have achieved slave mentality in ways our ancestors would have never thought possible.

@AtreiLeonidas In my discussios about the movie I've only ever suggested Greek actors for the movie. Your views on this are rigid, but they're far more respectable than the ledtists'. If I had no other choice, I'd prefer to accept your views (5inch) than the 10 inch leftist one.

@HellenicEm22330 @Noticing_Evil Or, go "fishing" for the right cast. Even with "Troy" they sourced the Myrmidons from Bulgaria. Right across the fucking border.

@Noticing_Evil @AtreiLeonidas I recommend not to create such movies, since the ancient Greeks were neither Vikings-Celts-Germans nor Black people.

@Noticing_Evil In anything. You have become conditioned to seeing your stories through proxies that pull it to one direction w/o mercy to your exclusion. It's this malady I am trying to extricate from your mind. Not supplant one for the other. You're still not getting it.

@AtreiLeonidas In the movie? I prefer an actor who's far closer genetically and phenotypically to Greeks than one that looks nothing alike. If you have a solution to achieve an all Greek cast please provide it, I'm open to seeing what it is.

@illyriusx @rian_vlbt The creator in the platonic schema: the Demiurge comes much later in the ladder. You're conflating vastly different theologies.

@AtreiLeonidas @rian_vlbt I’m not trying to flatten anything. You’re creating a dualistic chasm between creator and creation.

@illyriusx @rian_vlbt Proclus did not produce word salad. Say you don't understand him. The One is not "responsible." It does not create all the rest. The One is One. It throws out Unity.

@rian_vlbt @AtreiLeonidas Brother this is all word salad. If the One is responsible for all real things, including Nous, then it just IS reality itself and is most like Nous, meaning an ineffable pre-intellective consciousness in which there are not yet distinct Ideas.

@rian_vlbt @illyriusx Granting sat-cit-ananta as mere horizons to be abandoned doesn't change the final geometry. When Vedanta kicks the ladder away, you land in Atman (Ultimate Presence/Substratum). When Damascius kicks it away, you hit Radical Alterity (Precondition). The distinction stands.

The reading of Damascius actually converges with the Vedanta/Upanishads tradition, according to which sat-cit-ananta are merely lakṣaṇas, and, like all conceptualization, can never truly define ultimate reality. They are horizons of predication that are later abandoned, so to speak.

@illyriusx @rian_vlbt Cute gotcha. No,it's apophasis. Proclus Elements.: The One is beyond being, not "real" like Nous or consciousness. You're attempting to flatten the procession by importing Brahman to fix what isn't broken. The One causes reality w/o sharing its "substance." That's the point.

@AtreiLeonidas @rian_vlbt Is ineffability a categorization?