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@JohnMccholl @wsucougs2000 @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ What is interesting is a ball can theoretically be foul all the way down the line, hit the base while still technically being “foul” but because it hit the base, it is now fair. Interesting. Probably easier for umps to adjudicate this way

@JohnMccholl @wsucougs2000 @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ Good clarification. I was wrong

Again, this is a fair ball. This video done by @CloseCallSports explains the Parallex Effect and why this is a fair ball. How @Jomboy_ hasn’t hired me yet is beyond me at this point. youtu.be/JQNEP6lqhHo?si…

@JohnMccholl @wsucougs2000 @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ The one I quoted literally comes from those 2 paragraphs

@BYU_SFGiantsFan @wsucougs2000 @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ Yes. That’s the definition I’m using. Not sure where you got the other one you quoted as authoritative.

@JohnMccholl @wsucougs2000 @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ Being over the line is fair ground We are arguing over the particulars of the wording but the ball settling/being touched while being over, but not on, the has precedent The video is good & goes through it Really, the evidence that is the rule is it’s how it’s consistently called

@BYU_SFGiantsFan @wsucougs2000 @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ It says settles “on fair ground”, not “on or over fair ground”. If anything that supports my interpretation. At the very least it is ambiguous. The string experiment, while helpful to determine if the ball is over fair territory, doesn’t tell us if that’s what the rule requires.

@JohnMccholl @wsucougs2000 @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ Definition of terms, page 163-164 defines a fair ball

@wsucougs2000 @BYU_SFGiantsFan @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ Where is this in the official mlb rules? It seems to be from some other document. Rule 2 in the official rules (at least the copy I have) deals with the playing field. (PDF here: mlb.com/glossary/rules). Am I missing something?

@JohnMccholl @wsucougs2000 @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ Ok. Fair. But the ball is also still fair. Because it “settles” between home and 3rd. If you laid a string between the corner of the bag and the corner of home plate straight down the edge of the line and lifted it up, it would hit the ball.

@BYU_SFGiantsFan @wsucougs2000 @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ It says on or over fair territory in a specific scenario, namely, “when bounding to the outfield” past the bag. It doesn’t say on or over fair territory when in contact with the ground between home and first/third.

@CherryEngineer @RockyBinkowski @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ “Fair fly” so bottom doesn’t apply 1st paragraph matters for any situation between home & 3rd where the any part of the ball settles, is touched or is bounding over fair territory The ball stopped & based on the umps angle Id trust him to dertermine if the ball was over the line

@BYU_SFGiantsFan @RockyBinkowski @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ The highlighted part is only when bounding to the outfield. Key part is at the bottom

@JohnMccholl @wsucougs2000 @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ That is to help you ignore the part about fly balls that is not applicable. The applicable part is where it talks about a ball that settles (stops) between home and 3rd or on or over fair territory.

@BYU_SFGiantsFan @wsucougs2000 @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ I feel like you may have modified the text here slightly, specifically with the big cross out and “not applicable”.

@ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ The @CloseCallSports video on this one is gonna be good

@natemovies @AngryThorr42069 @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ Yup. Whether it settles or is touched, the same logic applies. I think it settled slightly before it was touched so i point to that part of the rule but either way the rule covers it

@AngryThorr42069 @BYU_SFGiantsFan @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ Last part of that paragraph: “while on or over fair territory, touches the person of an umpire or PLAYER” which it was over fair territory when he picks up the ball

@DJKeenstar @brockseeman @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ That zoomed view with no reference to point to the line are like the best point I can make about how angles can distort the perception via parallax. Look at a different view where you can see his feet and the line and tell me he “doesn’t even have the correct angle”

@BYU_SFGiantsFan @brockseeman @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ I don't? The ump doesn't even have the correct angle

@danielren123 @SWaisanen @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ You actually care about the part where it says the ball settles on or OVER fair territory. Balls are round you can be over the line without being on it

@SWaisanen @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ That seems to be talking about bouncing or lined balls. Aka a liner to 3rd. My quoted tweet refers to balls touching the ground

@RockyBinkowski @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_

@ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ Rule was changed 8 years ago. Foul ball

@MeBleedGreen @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ The only angle that matters was the one the ump has. You can only properly see if the curve of the ball is over the line from a straight on view. Any angles will parallax and appear to show a gap

@ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ Have you not seen the other angles?

@AngryThorr42069 @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ 2nd paragraph doesn’t apply. Beginning of the 1st paragraph clearly states “a batted ball the settles… on or over fair territory”

@ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ Do you have a Time Machine?

@DJKeenstar @brockseeman @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ I don’t think you understand angles and why they are relevant here….

@brockseeman @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ I'm showing a different angle. I understand the physics

@JohnMccholl @wsucougs2000 @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ Because it literally says so

@wsucougs2000 @ScoringChanges @CloseCallSports @Jomboy_ Why is it obvious that a ball between 1st/3rd and the pole must touch fair territory, but not a ball that is between 1st/3rd and home? As I read the rule it does not clearly specify that the quoted statement only applies to the former scenario, but I could be wrong on that.

@L0m3z This is also why you rarely see lefties in compilations of great OF assists. If you are a lefty and can throw like that, you are a pitcher. Oh and that one left handed outfielder guy you are thinking of that has a bunch of crazy throw highlights? He was a pitcher first

This is a fun question to think about. My back of the envelope explanation is that because lefty catchers have to throw across their bodies to get to the runner’s side of 2b on a steal and because their throw will naturally tail away from the runner, they lose something like .1s v a righty catcher’s throw, all else being equal. If a righty catcher is throwing ~85mph on his throws to 2b, a lefty needs to throw ~95mph to make up for that lost time. But if you’re a lefty catcher who can throw 95, guess what? You’re not a catcher. You’re a pitcher.

@geoffjBYU The players would have jumped at this 15 years ago But now? Why change anything? The free market is benefiting them the most Total freedom of movement & bargaining power The NCAA has too many members w/ different priorities & boosters to be an effective cartel to hold prices down

“Salary” being the key word here. If the NCAA wants caps, they must make the athletes employees. Unions and collective bargaining would follow. But the NCAA and schools don’t want that.

@CriddleBenjamin I don’t really care about spring games but it’s kinda embarrassing you had to have AI generate a picture of LES for you

QOTD: If BYU held an annual spring game and combined it with the alumni game, how many people do you think would show up on average? What would you pay for a ticket? (concessions will be open) Top-tier programs (ceiling) Ohio State: ~80,000 Alabama: ~72,000 Penn State: ~67,000 Nebraska: ~60,000 Georgia: ~55,000 Typical / Average Range SEC Most schools fall in the 20K–50K range Lower-tier or less hype: 15K–30K Mid-tier solid programs: 30K–45K Occasional spikes: 50K+ Big Ten Typical range: 25K–50K Lower-tier: 15K–30K Strong brands (Nebraska, PSU, OSU): 50K–80K+