@TwiterIsTrash8 @KelynCran i personally don't make such a clear distinction, I think they're bascially the same thing, both addictive in the same way
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@BenjiGameDev @KelynCran was it GMTK or someone that divided RNG into two things:
1) RNG that determines the outcome/reward
2) RNG that randomizes the game state beforehand (shuffling the deck before the card game)
1 is the one that causes problems and can be abused into gambling
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the incredible success of neuron activation RNG gambleslop says something about the deeper nature of games that we're not ready to talk about yet
TheGameVerse@TheGameVerse
What gaming opinion has you like this? 👀
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@BenjiGameDev When I started I didn't even know you could sell them on your own/ make money off them/ owned the rights (Unity Engine)
I was just making/uploading to sites like indieDB & Kongregate. Even if 1 person found them, I thought, "There must be something wrong with this individual."
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this really sucks. but yeah, none of my games have ever turned a profit, they're all deep in the red if you count my time. I think that's normal for 99% of games, but it can still be a nasty surprise to discover you're not in the 1% yet again
Coffee Beans 🦊 Tailside (OUT NOW on Steam!)@CoffeeBeansDev
I hate to admit this but I launched my first video game and it actually FAILED. And I want to be honest with you, and with myself about the reality of it 🧵
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i think if we're looking at it objectively, there's very little difference between someone sat at a slot machine hitting the button all day long versus someone walking back and forth in a field in Pokemon for hours trying to find a shiny diglett. the intention of the casio manager versus the game designer is very different of course - one actively seeks to exploit their customer and the other doesn't. but the outcome is uncomfortably similar
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@BenjiGameDev @KelynCran I see
Our monkey brain just loves RNG, I just embrace our human nature
People usually abuse this to turn other people into addicts, when other devs turn it into harmless toys I see it as a good thing, it steals audience from actual gambling
or do you think it's a gateway drug?
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@BenjiGameDev @KelynCran does that include games that are inspired by casino aesthetics but do NOT have any stake, be it money, long time (Gacha, XP boost in MMO) and the like?
Like Balatro or CloverPit?
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@TeamBravoGames absolutely. interesting though that it took 40 years for us to start making games that are just straight up slot machines - you would think someone would have hit on that winning formula a long time ago
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@BenjiGameDev the incredible success of neuron activation MCU cameoslop says something about the deeper nature of movies that we're not ready to talk about yet
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@KelynCran @GameproHiljan I'm not saying RNG is always used to deliberately get us addicted - although that is true of some genres. My point is that randomness in games engages with the exact same psychological mechanisms as gambling, whether intentional or not
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@BenjiGameDev @GameproHiljan I get what you're saying, but I wouldn't go that far. I've never thought "oh, man, I've just got to start a new game of Civilization so I can see how good my start is". I think some games use randomness for the purpose of replayability, rather than addiction.
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@GameproHiljan @KelynCran all games that use RNG are exploiting the psychology of addiction to some degree
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@BenjiGameDev @KelynCran Ok but what does it say about the deeper nature of games as a whole
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@KelynCran i reserve "gambleslop" specifically for games based on traditional gambling RNG mechanics - roulettes, slots, dice, lottery tickets, etc. that stuff is pure scum and I don't like it. beyond that it gets a bit fuzzy
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@BenjiGameDev Where is the gambleslop line, in your eyes? Do roguelikes or gacha games count?
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@IsaiahToth_Dev more like - all your favourite games probably also had elements of gambling in them, and that's partly why you liked them. at the most basic level it's the thrill of getting a straight piece in Tetris just when you need it
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@BenjiGameDev That games aren't about imagination and storytelling anymore? Instead swapped for instant gratification dispensers?
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@BenjiGameDev If I were to be incredibly reductive I'd argue gambling mechanics (risk/reward, chance) + "play" mechanics (experimentation, discovery, personal improvement) are all foundational to what we call "games". A bunch of primal itch scratching and practice
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@BenjiGameDev That looks cool, do you also have janky clanky skeletons?
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my game is orientalist by every definition. Or maybe "neo-orientalist"
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orientalism is indeed racism, yes
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@BenjiGameDev Dammit, I muted that account for a reason Benji 😆
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@RobinPoedev you're right - I've managed to piss off fans of Sonic, Roblox, Pokemon, Miyazaki - and they're all uniquely odd
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its always fun when you get hate bridaged by a large sample size of a game's fans. theres a unique flavor of gamer rage in every community.
Robin Poe 🐑@RobinPoedev
I just want people to acknowledge how ugly this game looks
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@BenjiGameDev Edit: I’m dumb, I just noticed it’s on the side in the video lol
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i'm not sure I know what "soulless" means anymore
Pirat_Nation 🔴@Pirat_Nation
Jason schreirer about Crimson Desert: “boring and soulless that I absolutely did not want to play anymore. Feels like a game designed for people who just want to Consume Content.”
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