Beth Orens

I refuse to be used as a human shield by genderqueers to emotionally blackmail people into accepting their kink as something "innate" that has to be coddled, or else they might commit suicide. There's no connection between my sex dysphoria and your lifestyle choices.

@BriannaWu people accept me. But at the same time, I feel absolutely no obligation to tell anyone. Why should I? That's why I don't use a photo on this account.

@BriannaWu daughter sees me as her mother. One of. But if I were to go somewhere where they knew about my past, and anyone felt uncomfortable about me using the women's bathroom, assuming there was a viable alternative (i.e., not the men's room), I'd use that. I would *never* demand that

I will never be a biological woman, obviously. But, that doesn’t mean I cannot socially live as a woman and mostly integrate as a woman into society. And it certainly doesn’t mean people on the Internet need to dehumanize me constantly.

@Rabbi_Sykes @afalkhatib Even Moshe Feiglin has had coffee with Tibi. It doesn't mean that their views are fake. It means that the Middle Eastern way of behaving includes being sociable and friendly (genuinely friendly) until honor demands an act of brutal and vicious terror. lisaliel.substack.com/p/arabs-are-ni…

It is reassuring to hear from you that beneath the public posturing there might be people who do think differently. You are of the rare public figures willing to say publicly what you believe. By the way, and as I am sure you know, there are those who say that Knesset members are the same way. Those who are publicly the most vocal against one another when they speak from the podium or in front of the microphones are friendly l, as soon as the cameras are gone and even work together on issues. I don’t have it but I saw a great picture of one of the Ultra-Orthodox M”Ks sitting and sharing coffee with Ahmed Tibi. I am told that this is the reality and that the fake is what we see from the speaker’s podium. Praying we see the day that people can be who they are and say what they truly believe both privately and publicly. Sabbah El’Hir.

I was in a discussion with a group of Palestinians today who were anti-Hamas and described how the Islamist group’s members are worthy of “revolutionary courts” and “mass executions” for the crimes against the Palestinian people in Gaza. I come across such spaces regularly online and elsewhere and usually choose to just listen. However, one of them today called me out and said that we don’t welcome “normalizers” and those who talk to Israelis, Zionists, and hostage families, saying that they oppose Hamas but don’t want to be friends with Jews or Israelis. For better or worse, I spoke up and called this guy out and said I am the guy you are describing; I am right here: talk to me. After trying to explain my viewpoints, they asked who am I and why am I promoting dialogue with Israelis and hostage families. I explained how I don’t believe hostages should have ever been taken because it is against Islamic war doctrine, and that I also thought hostage families are critical allies for pushing to end the war in Gaza so they can get their loved ones back. Some were intrigued, while others began mauling me alive and launched into a frenzied game to see who was going to be more anti-Israel than the other. “Does the ADL fund you!” asked a dude who spoke only broken Arabic, as a Palestinian-Israeli whose first language was Hebrew (yes, ironic). Others completely put aside their anti-Hamas sentiment and began going out of their way to tell me that they do not believe in peace with Israelis after what happened in Gaza and that I am the worst, most horrible thing that has ever happened. It was one of the most comical, clearly theatrical displays that I have ever been a part of, and it all suddenly hit me: I have been in so many different discussions and spaces where Palestinians tell me in private that they must put on an exaggerated anti-Israel facade for them to maintain a sense of credibility with other Palestinians. I have talked to senior Palestinian Authority officials who literally buy wine and whiskey in Tel Aviv and ride their VIP vehicles through checkpoints unhindered while talking to senior Israeli officials and army commanders, only for them to turn around and release a series of incendiary statements against the Zionist enemy and how there will never be normalization with Israel or conversations with Israelis or Zionists. More interestingly, as I was being mauled in this comical attempt to show who is more anti-Israeli, people were privately messaging me from the same space, telling me that this was a waste of time. They agreed with me and supported me, but everyone must put on a show that they are pro-Palestine “resistance” even though they are extremely anti-Hamas. This is, unfortunately, what holds so many Palestinians back from speaking up and out. This is why the real work and conversations happen behind closed doors where more Palestinians are comfortable speaking their minds, away from the theatrics that they have been taught for generations, and are required to retain credibility and legitimacy. Still, it gives me hope that a few people in the space said publicly to others, “What is wrong with you, and how have you all turned into resistance “bros” just because this guy is talking about peace with Israelis?” The fraud and the charade are well known to all, and again, people were privately messaging me, saying don’t bother with this; keep going, and keep doing what you are doing, “this is just the way our people have to act in public.” I understand this dynamic and know where they are coming from, but I want to dismantle this. I want people to truly speak their minds and learn the democratic values of open discussion and debate without petty high-school-like insults or the need to obfuscate what one really thinks because our people have been told for generations we have to always put on an anti-Israel hat first and foremost. I said to participants in the space that it is entirely possible to be against the Israeli occupation and Israeli crimes against Palestinians while also denouncing Hamas and its criminality and acknowledging that holding women, children, and the elderly as hostages in Gaza is evil and wrong. Please consider this when people ask, “Where are the Palestinian partners for peace.” They exist and are everywhere, but often, their conditioning and environments don’t permit them to fully speak their minds.

@DefiantLs An extreme transvestite. H/T @BethOrens for the term.

@IsabeauVidal @DaunenJ @whitehotsand @BriannaWu @mundellism @LisaLiel Beats me. I had surgery in 1996, and they did then. I very much doubt they still do.

@BethOrens @DaunenJ @whitehotsand @BriannaWu @mundellism @LisaLiel Don’t most surgeons still require two letters btw?

I don’t think I’ve ever changed in any year as much as this last year. October 7th really did open my eyes to a lot of things just had not been willing to see. Not just the issues with progressivism, and the rotting cancer of antisemitism at the heart of it. But the true threat that theocratic Islam poses to western values. Also, just being honest? There is an intellectually dishonest, hateful core to the entire political wing of anti-Israel advocacy that infects so many institutions. The Global Left. The UN. “Human rights” groups. The theocratic political project of Islam and the failed states that advocate it. At all of these roads and the money that flows into it, the cause of terrorism cannot help but meet. It’s been difficult seeing all of this. More difficult to speak on it and endure the broken friendships and harassment. But there’s also freedom. I will always be on the left, but I also now feel free to advocate for more honest version of the left. One that can admit some of the truths within conservatism and try to build bridges - especially on national security. Has it been heartbreaking? Absolutely. This has been one of the hardest years of my life. I often wake up at 3 AM in pain over friendships that have been broken. Is a life for you don’t consider difficult truths and speak on them really worth living? I don’t think it is.

@laura_tee_mdgi @BriannaWu @NOfPPlus @DaunenJ @IsabeauVidal @CanadaKlr @whitehotsand @mundellism @LisaLiel Bones and joints don't unthicken because of lack of T. Come on. The skeletal changes are permanent and significant.

This is basically where I am At the elite level, there are likely residual advantages that can be wishcast away, and which seem to persist despite long term testosterone suppression, and are not sufficiently overcome by the impact of zeroT on oxygen carrying capacity and muscle loss This seems to be mostly the case in sports where a more masculine body type carries an advantage (increased height and wingspan) as well as in those that require explosive muscle contraction (anything that involves sprinting or arm speed/leg speed generation) I would also hypothesize that residual pubertal advantages are less prominent, if evident at all, in sports that favor endurance or fine motor control. It is not surprising to me that the one notable trans man who has excelled at a high-elite level against men was Chris mosier, a long distance runner. I also think for those who have no or minimal male puberty, the residual advantages are likely low enough to be disregarded. These bene

@BriannaWu @DaunenJ @IsabeauVidal @CanadaKlr @NOfPPlus @laura_tee_mdgi @whitehotsand @mundellism @LisaLiel I'm sure. Same here. My T is lower than a genetic woman's T. And I was never strong even before transitioning. But the mechanical advantage I have over genetic women, physically, is undeniable. And unfair in a sports setting.

@DaunenJ @IsabeauVidal @CanadaKlr @NOfPPlus @laura_tee_mdgi @whitehotsand @mundellism @LisaLiel I’ve had GRS. I highly doubt this is true for me.

@RadioFreeStPaul @BriannaWu Sterility isn't an issue if we're talking about legitimate GID. Osteoporosis and cognitive impairment seem extremely unlikely. As does cancer risks. The only legit risk I've seen for MtF kids having blockers is the atrophy, and that's because of the skin graft / depth issue.

The Dutch didn’t separate by sex in their literature, which is an interesting choice, they lumped them together. Their number was 19/20 desisting and 4/5 of those who desist growing up to be same sex attracted. Their cohort at the time was likely mostly boys as the trans craze for girls hadn’t started yet and they had historically been a small portion of the GID group. That would give a lot of credence to the “mostly boys” assertion. I’m happy to find the research into the developmental issues associated with blocking normal human puberty if you are interested though you’ve likely seen that. Sterility, osteoporosis, cognitive impairment, genital atrophy, cancer risks are those recall.

With so much talk about trans children, I want to tell you what my childhood was like as a trans person did not get psychological support. I have no memory of not wanting to be a girl with every part of my soul. I remember asking mom when I was going to become a girl when I was three and her freaking out. I would feel such an intense shame at being a boy in kindergarten. I wanted to die from my earliest memories because life in a body and a social role I was ashamed of was so painful. Every time I would speak in a way that felt normal or use hand gestures that felt normal or express interests I would get punished. So, I just closed my bedroom door and hid from the world. I had no friends. I was failing academically. I would sit in class and watch other people living normal lives and feel desperation. I was miserable and difficult to be around. My family was unhappy at having someone malfunctioning in the family and it cause chaos with my siblings. As I got older, the feelings intensified and a deep depression set in. I will spare you a graphic reliving of my suicide attempts, but I often wonder how I survived. I had separate crushes on boys in my class, but the thought of them wanting me for parts of myself I was ashamed of was traumatizing. I wanted friendships with girls desperately, but I had missed all the steps of socialization to fit in. And as I left home, I started doing every drug I could get my hands on trying to dull myself out of these feelings. I barely survived. I understand we need a more sophisticated conversation about children transitioning. I agree that a lot of girls are going down a path that will not serve them. We need better public policy. But there is also a cost to not acting. And I think it’s one that deserves consideration.

@DaunenJ @IsabeauVidal @whitehotsand @BriannaWu @mundellism @LisaLiel responsible than they have been lately. I don't know if they've gone off their nuts or whether they're just afraid of being accused of transphobia, but okaying someone for transition who is clearly male in their body language and emotional makeup is disastrous.

@DaunenJ @IsabeauVidal @whitehotsand @BriannaWu @mundellism @LisaLiel "A few years"? No. I think the old Harry Benjamin protocols were sufficient. One year of living full time as the other sex, while getting regular therapy, plus an okay from both that therapist and another before having SRS. But therapists have to be a helluva lot more

@IsabeauVidal @DaunenJ @whitehotsand @BriannaWu @mundellism @LisaLiel No one who has gone through male puberty should be competing against biological girls/women in any physical sport. It's no different than doping. T is an anabolic steroid, and its effects are permanent and irreversible, and give a pronounced advantage in any physical competition.

@DaunenJ @whitehotsand @BriannaWu @mundellism @LisaLiel I agree that adult transitioners should not be competing at the elite level. Self-ID has been implemented in numerous countries around the world with no issues. Perverts have never needed excuses.

@StarLasswell1 @BriannaWu @mundellism @LisaLiel It's not an "AGP male" thing. It's extreme transvestites, too, like Dylan Mulvaney. You can't just someone's gender identity based on whether they're attracted to the same or opposite sex.

The majority of the right are fine with adult transitions and support the necessity of their specific health needs. They object to trans-women competing against women in sport, joining them in prisons and women only private places - mainly because there has been no way provided to differentiate between true trans and AGP males for which it is a fetish. Although with sport, male inclusion, true trans or not, is seen as a problem. The biggest objection is the push to incorporate gender ideology into schools and to encourage gender confused children, who would like grow out of it, onto physically destructive and irreversible puberty blockers, opposite sex hormones and removal of healthy body parts. These are the main points, although there may be some others I haven't mentioned. I and many others are fine with how you want to live your life and support your health needs. We are eager, willing, happy to be friends. Trans-women on the right, as a rule, are welcomed with open arms.

@RaisingLesBars @BriannaWu Maybe for Brianna. I wasn't feminine at all. *Or* masculine. @bethorens/identity-theft-the-trans-con-ab5538066a28" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">medium.com/@bethorens/ide…

@BriannaWu Seems as though, at a minimum, family and society fully accepting super-feminine boys (who are also usually gay) would have made your life a lot better.

@RadioFreeStPaul @BriannaWu Actually, it's only most GID *boys* who grow up to be gay. Most GID *girls* have no greater or lesser chance of being gay than any other girls. And I don't think there is "mounting evidence" that blocking puberty is physically dangerous.

The medical literature suggests that there is a tiny cohort of GID children who will not desist after puberty. The literature also suggests that nearly all children who experience GID grow up to be happy same sex attracted adults. The Dutch thought they had developed a screening protocol to differentiate between those who would desist and those who would not and then intervening to prevent puberty in those screened patients. The Dutch are still characterizing this as experimental medicine and claiming that more research is needed into the safety and effectiveness of blocking puberty. Some of the initial researchers are publicly expressing reservations with this course of treatment. While it is entirely understandable that someone who is happy and successful with an adult transition would be quite certain of their identity as a child, there is no way for certain to make that determination before puberty. It is also understandable, given the irreversible changes caused by testosterone in puberty, that the idea of skipping male puberty would be highly appealing to someone who is happy with an adult transition. There is currently no evidence that blocking puberty is safe and there is mounting evidence that skipping a crucial stage in human development has lasting negative consequences. Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Norway, France, England and Italy have all severely limited the use of this treatment to the point that it is unavailable, effectively a ban. The US is the last to adopt this position, likely because medicalizing kids is thousands of times more profitable than medicalizing adults and we have a medical system driven by profit, not patient health.

@Phil_I_Long @BriannaWu *us* look bad, and because it's wrong. But we aren't the same.

@Phil_I_Long @BriannaWu by societal expectations are *not* the same as people who grow up from toddlerhood perceiving themselves as the sex opposite to what their body would indicate. Learn that there are distinctions to be made. We hate the gender/queer madness more than you do, because it makes