@1000HolyPlaces @Eternal_Saints_ Is the original intent of modesty “superficial”? No it’s a counter to pride and vanity.
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Matt Michael Michaels
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Matt Michael Michaels
@Chat_Man217
BYU through and through and also still a Beaver Believer dang it. #GoCougs 🐆 #GoBeavs🦫
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@Eternal_Saints_ EXACTLY! This is what people really don't get. The garment has ZERO to do with modesty. It has long been an annoyance for me that we have relegated the holy garment to such a petty superficial purpose.
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Hot take: the Garment of the Holy Priesthood has nothing whatsoever to do with modesty.
Its purpose is to endow you with power from on high, for the redemption of Zion.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this Sister’s outfit, either. There’s nothing immodest about it.
The Political Plesiosaur@pol_plesiosaur
“How can I look as immodest as possible while still technically wearing the temple garment?”
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Yesterday, I made the case that having high expectations for our youth in the Church is very good for them when its done with high love.
The kids aren't fragile.
The adults on X, however ... well, that's another story.
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@NoblestCalling @JonbrownLVNV @KimballCall Except when you tell them “no” about something and then their helicopter parents get involved.
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@JonbrownLVNV @Chat_Man217 @KimballCall I am always impressed when I interact with the youth in the church
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“We shouldn’t encourage deacons to wear suits, belts, or black socks when they pass the sacrament. What if we scare them away from wanting to pass?”
This line of thought has one crucial flaw: it assumes children are fragile and can’t respond positively to high standards.
It’s the same line of thought that is crushing my generation; the soft bigotry of low expectations.
We can welcome any deacon regardless of what he wears to church, while at the same time trying to create a culture where they feel empowered to rise to higher expectations of dress and appearance, thus honoring themselves, their families, and the ordinance they are performing.
Coddled Deacons become coddled Elders become coddled men.
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They always say you’re being judgmental, they never say you’re wrong
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@synthenergy @Latterdaytruth It’s called the knee mark for a reason, not the “upper thigh mark”.
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@Chat_Man217 @Latterdaytruth Definitely not mad about covering up, just disagree with arbitrary standards and slut shaming over tank tops and shorts that are not quite at the knee.
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Pioneer Paper Trail@PioneerPaperTrl
“Judge none but judgers” is the consistent unifier of each generation of Twitter Mormies, whatever the specific flavor.
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@ldsknack @KimballCall The savior told us to keep the Commandments, which is literally a list of do’s and dont’s.
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@Chat_Man217 @KimballCall Jesus Christ fulfilled mosaic law
Follow the Savior and His example
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As an MTC teacher, I spent three years dealing with stubborn Elders who were convinced that white socks, bolo ties, and massive cowboy belts should be okay to wear.
I had to lovingly but firmly coach them and send them to their dorms to change. Many of them were furious and immediately let resentment boil up.
I get it, this will always be the case with some. But if you're a parent or a leader, you can prepare these young men ahead of time by teaching them principles and getting them accustomed to high expectations.
Many MTC teachers, Mission Leaders, members, and investigators will be incredibly grateful if you do.
Kimball Call@KimballCall
“We shouldn’t encourage deacons to wear suits, belts, or black socks when they pass the sacrament. What if we scare them away from wanting to pass?” This line of thought has one crucial flaw: it assumes children are fragile and can’t respond positively to high standards. It’s the same line of thought that is crushing my generation; the soft bigotry of low expectations. We can welcome any deacon regardless of what he wears to church, while at the same time trying to create a culture where they feel empowered to rise to higher expectations of dress and appearance, thus honoring themselves, their families, and the ordinance they are performing. Coddled Deacons become coddled Elders become coddled men.
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@darthcaro I’ve never personally heard anyone longing for the days of polygamy. I know some men today (including Oaks) are sealed to a 2nd woman after the 1st one died, but I assume those cases are the exception and as perfect resurrected beings we’ll have a more mature understanding of it.
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When a married man in the church talks about missing polygamy too much I just assume he’s cheating on his wife.
I can’t be alone in thinking this.
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@upliftandlift This is Monument Avenue in Richmond, which has a bunch of mansions stacked close together that were built in the 1920’s. It’s a preference and it’s nothing new.
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@NoblestCalling @KimballCall Sloppy clothes “detract from the worship service”, so there’s that.
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@Chat_Man217 @KimballCall His list of what he thinks they should be wearing to pass it are made up 🤷 the standard is what's in the handbook. I think we should follow that and not impose our own ideas above what is being asked.
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@KimballCall @JonHaidt @jean_twenge When I was a deacon the phrase they used was “raising the bar”. It referred to the higher standards for future missionaries, but it applied to everything else.
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It's sad how many of you see youth as weak, fragile, and incapable of rising up to high standards.
@JonHaidt and @jean_twenge have extensively documented how this perception becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
It's time to let kids experience hard things and live up to high standards (so long as we give them love and assistance).
Kimball Call@KimballCall
“We shouldn’t encourage deacons to wear suits, belts, or black socks when they pass the sacrament. What if we scare them away from wanting to pass?” This line of thought has one crucial flaw: it assumes children are fragile and can’t respond positively to high standards. It’s the same line of thought that is crushing my generation; the soft bigotry of low expectations. We can welcome any deacon regardless of what he wears to church, while at the same time trying to create a culture where they feel empowered to rise to higher expectations of dress and appearance, thus honoring themselves, their families, and the ordinance they are performing. Coddled Deacons become coddled Elders become coddled men.
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@FinPhilosopher (In the Army) first shower after getting home from field training.
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Best showers ranked:
1. First shower after camping
2. First shower in a nice hotel/resort
3. Shower after yard work
4. Shower after gym
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@ChrisJPatty They’re not honoring the sabbath and their oxes are not in the mire. The correct term is apostasy.
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How much is not shopping on Sunday a quirk of a bygone era in Mormonism now? Go anywhere in SLC on Sunday and half the patrons will be in church clothes.
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@NoblestCalling @KimballCall Are the MTC rules or literally any dress code for ordained ministers in literally any other religion a “made up fashion rule” I would say passing the sacrament with Crocs is a hard no. (And yes I saw that happen)
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@Chat_Man217 @KimballCall I believe in high expectations as long as the expectations are correct and not made up fashion rules
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@KimballCall If you step in to a Ross, the dress shoes are cheaper than most of the casual ones. It’s literally cheaper to dress nice.
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By the way, while we are on the subject. I don't judge poor deacons who don't have the means to have nice shoes or a nice suit ...
But I ABSOLUTELY judge the Provo bros who think its cool to wear white Nike Air Force Ones to church (or worse, to weddings). That's dorky as hell.
Kimball Call@KimballCall
“We shouldn’t encourage deacons to wear suits, belts, or black socks when they pass the sacrament. What if we scare them away from wanting to pass?” This line of thought has one crucial flaw: it assumes children are fragile and can’t respond positively to high standards. It’s the same line of thought that is crushing my generation; the soft bigotry of low expectations. We can welcome any deacon regardless of what he wears to church, while at the same time trying to create a culture where they feel empowered to rise to higher expectations of dress and appearance, thus honoring themselves, their families, and the ordinance they are performing. Coddled Deacons become coddled Elders become coddled men.
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@ldsknack @KimballCall The 10 commandments are literally a do/don’t list. So alter literally all the other commandments.
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I saw too many young mean leave the Church because of hair or clothes or whatever leadership didnt like. We once had to a GA visit to stop the Stake President from changing the Temple Recommend questions about drinking Coke.
One day the do/dont checklist will be replaced with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
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@NoblestCalling @KimballCall I really hate the “we’re just glad they’re here” low expectations mentality parents have for the youth now. I grew on “raising the bar”. Youth being more fragile now is a circular self-fulfilling prophecy because nobody wants to do the right thing and firmly given them boundaries
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@synthenergy @Latterdaytruth You sure sound like someone very upset about women covering up.
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@Chat_Man217 @Latterdaytruth youtu.be/cRCKgOOCVJA?si…
Clothing standards change over time and guidelines (not arbitrary edicts) should inform based on principals, not legalistically demands.
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@synthenergy @Latterdaytruth You used apostate Dan McClellan as your source. Your opinion is invalid.
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@NutlawPete @pol_plesiosaur She’s trying to look like a hoochie, that’s for sure.
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“How can I look as immodest as possible while still technically wearing the temple garment?”
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