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@CottoneyedCHO So you believe is he the Second Person of the most Holy Trinity? Or are you polytheist pagans?
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If simply saying Joseph Smith wasn’t a prophet is “Mormon hate”, then the LDS teaching Jesus wasn’t divine is Christian-hate.
Shabbos Kestenbaum@ShabbosK
Disappointed to see yet another act of normalization of Mormon hate within the Conservative movement. Leaving aside the religious bigotry, the LDS Church is the *MOST* Republican-leaning religious group in America. We should be thanking them, not mocking them.
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.@conservmillen did a fantastic job blowing Kolob-sized holes in a demonic false cult, and did it all with a smile on her face and a pleasant disposition 😂
Allie Beth Stuckey@conservmillen
A different gospel? The LDS gospel and the Christian gospel sound similar, but we ultimately mean different things. Mormon apologist Jacob Hansen and I each present what we believe is the true Good News:
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@ThoughtfulSaint I suppose he was predestined to find out about the email list.
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Quick note on the debate last night against Jacob Hansen, neo-Mormon/Oslerite. I used one term during the debate a number of times, and repeated it with almost every person I talked to afterward while greeting folks: reprehensible. “deserving censure or condemnation.” Irresponsible. Dishonest. And in this case, based upon a clear and obvious prejudice, bias, and animosity, not so much toward me, but toward “Calvinism.” His opening statement was, quite honestly, below Dave Hunt. Seriously. And for those who listened to the debate review we did with Joe Heschmeyer, that was truly surprising. Hansen is smart. He was prepared to address the Papacy. But last night? Nothing but emotional mud slinging. All the standard heart-string pulling “oh its about the babies” tripe that you can find in any corner of YouTube. And the entire night the man did not raise a single verse that I had not addressed, fully, in _The Potter’s Freedom_ a quarter century ago. Yet he did not give the slightest evidence of knowing what I had written, though he quoted from the book. I am convinced Hansen’s “crew” put most of his notes together. At one point he “quoted” Aaron Shafovaloff (who was seated in the back row) and Aaron literally interrupted him, “I never said any such thing.” Before the cross ex Hansen asked to have time to apologize and admitted the quote was “second or third hand.” Then, during cross, he “read” me a quote from _The Potter’s Freedom.” I was sitting right next to him and I asked, “Are there any dots (ellipses) in that quote?” and asked for a page number. I watched him scanning his computer screen like he had never even seen the citation before. He admitted there were ellipses. I said, “Of course there are.” And he never gave me the citation. A kind young lady in the first row happened to have TPF with her, and she handed it to me. So he decided to go on to the next question. My conclusion is others “quote mined” the book and gave him a file with “good quotes to use.” As I pointed out, he never even attempted to refute the exegesis in the book because he lacks the capacity to do so. And he clearly did not read it seeking to understand the position. When he presented what “Limited Atonement” meant in his opening, it wasn’t even close. Jack Chick level silliness.
So, I gave him no quarter. I was not going to play “buddy buddy” with someone who showed so little respect for simple honesty as to behave and speak as he did. He is not an orthodox Mormon on any level, and that came out when I tried to get him to at least admit that his god became a god by obedience to gospel ordinances and principles. I wanted to make the point (and did) that a finite god who became a god is insufficient grounding for transcendent principles and morality, hence undercutting the claim of his thesis. Oh, and the first question from the audience to him was whether God had killed every man, woman, and child in Noah’s flood. Not exactly surprising, he rejected the flood story on the basis of “science.” (Joseph Smith accepted the flood story as history).
I am looking forward to the video coming out. If you think the cross-ex with Heschmeyer or Austin was “hot,” well…nothing compared to last night. But if you were hoping for a really thought out presentation from the LDS side…nothing. Think of the 1 million “John Calvin was a heretic” videos done by KJVO fundies on YouTube: same stuff.
So when you see how I let him get away with nothing in cross-ex, the reason is simple: I knew he was capable of serious interaction, but had chosen the cheap way of dishonesty and misrepresentation, joined with emotional appeals to the audience. I have zero respect for such behavior. None. When I wrote TPF, I showed Geisler the utmost courtesy in researching his position, accurately representing it, etc. Hansen showed me, and the position, and the audience, nothing but smarmy condescension and disrespect.
Finally, it is truly enlightening to watch neo-Mormonism, or maybe Oslerism, developing. Why the GAs are not only allowing this, but seemingly, promoting this, is beyond me.
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@RepAprilDelaney @grok what countries around the world require ID to vote?
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I’m VOTING NO on the SAVE ACT because it will:
➡️ Require proof of citizenship at poll sites — like a passport or birth certificate — documents millions of Americans don’t carry with them
➡️ Charge Americans up to $130 to obtain paperwork
➡️ Target women whose names don’t match their birth certificates, seniors, military families & rural voters - disenfranchising millions!
➡️ Cost $19 billion nationwide
➡️ Make voting harder on purpose and intimidate those newly naturalized.
That’s not election security - that is voter suppression and an erosion of our democracy.
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Student at University of Houston tells TPUSA club members that he hopes they become paralyzed and their families get cancer
How can conservatives feel safe on your campus @UHouston? Has this student been expelled yet?
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language or race isnt the issue
its that Bad Bunny was politically divisive and his songs are largely unknown to many americans
meanwhile everyone loves and knows Despacito
youtube.com/watch?v=kJQP7k…

YouTube
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@SenSchumer @grok what Western European countries require a form of Government issued ID in order to Vote?
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@jkimballcook @ThoughtfulSaint I almost even believe you believe that I believe it. 😂😂😂😂🤡
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@CottoneyedCHO @ThoughtfulSaint I almost even believe you believe it
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This is so dumb. Carrying a weapon with extra magazines is perfectly legal and does not show intent to massacre people.
This sort of stupid rhetoric helps no one.
Also the shooting was tragic but legal
Disclose.tv@disclosetv
NOW - Border Control Chief Greg Bovino: "The suspect also had two loaded magazines and no assessable ID. This looks like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement."
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@jkimballcook @ThoughtfulSaint I wouldn’t even need to; it’s self evident.
All you want is to fight, and I’m not going to let you drag me into your mud pit.
You are obviously so desperate for a fight given your devotion in this text chain.
Again, you are big smart & strong man
I am small dumb & weak man
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@CottoneyedCHO @ThoughtfulSaint keep telling yourself that and you might even start to believe it
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@jkimballcook @ThoughtfulSaint The reason I won’t engage with you is because you are a really bad faith communicator.
What I mean by bad faith is you have no interest in speaking with me to hear different perspectives, other arguments, or viewpoints. You only want to beat me and to stroke your ego.
No thx
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@CottoneyedCHO @ThoughtfulSaint it would be super easy to prove me wrong if you actually had an answerv to the question
you won't answer it because you can't
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@jkimballcook @ThoughtfulSaint If that’s what you want to believe.
You are smart man and I am dumb man.
My opinions are dumb-dumb your opinions are always big smart.
Move on dude.
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@CottoneyedCHO @ThoughtfulSaint you're trying so hard to cover for the fact that you can't answer the question because there is no rational answer
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@jkimballcook @ThoughtfulSaint Nah, dude, move on. You are obviously way too ideologically captured to be able to have a disagreement and good-faith discussion on this topic.
Are you familiar with the saying “seek first to understand then be understood?” You did the opposite here and it’s not worth my time.
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@CottoneyedCHO @ThoughtfulSaint okay how does the possibility that he left his wallet at home lend credibility to the claim that he intended to massacre law enforcement?
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@jkimballcook @ThoughtfulSaint What’s the point in arguing with you when you clearly have your mind made up?
I would have happily engaged in this discussion if you just asked your fair and reasonable question, but by first stating “no it doesn’t” I’m not even going to waste my time with this.
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@CottoneyedCHO @ThoughtfulSaint no it doesn't
could simply be that he forgot to grab his wallet with his ID and carry card in it—how would that lend credibility to the claim that he intended to massacre law enforcement?
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