CM
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CM
@Creative_Math_
Deep Learning Research intern @blocks, grad student @UofT 🇨🇦 in a cool lab. Did pure math in a past life. cashmere-y



DeepSeek opted to train DeepSeek V4 with Nesterov Muon. Nesterov Muon also has a momentum-dependent eff. LR albeit more complicated. Their "RMS matching factor" is 0.18: ((1 + mu)/(1 - mu)) ** .5 * (1 + 2 * mu - 2 * mu ** 3) ** -.5 * 0.18 = 1.03 if mu = 0.95 2/3

btw, if you're using Muon w muP scaling, you don't need QK-norm/MuonClip to stabilize attention logits. Under muP scaling ||ΔW|| = 1 per-step so |Δ (q_i . k_j)| <= d and empirically logits stay stable too You prolly still want QK-clip just to be safe but it'll rarely activate

NanoGPT is a good benchmark in the few-token regime, but its results might not generalize to the rich-token regime. Optimizer behavior may reverse in the mid-to-late stages. Similar observation was shared in @wen_kaiyue prior benchmarking work: arxiv.org/abs/2509.02046


~1/7~ Today we are releasing Aurora on Arxiv → a leverage-aware spectral optimizer built for the MLP matrices in language models. Aurora achieves strong pre-training efficiency gains, achieves state-of-the-art performance on the optimizer track of modded nanoGPT speedrun among spectral optimizers, and allows for the effective training of very wide MLPs. 🧵




Anthropic, please release a GUI where you can render LaTeX and view diffs like Codex app does and I promise you have my loyalty forever













