Eliah Ruan

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Eliah Ruan

Eliah Ruan

@EliahRuan

Life, poetry, consciousness

Katılım Mart 2025
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Eliah Ruan
Eliah Ruan@EliahRuan·
Bro Brahma (a god) visits Buddha after his enlightenment urging him to teach to enlightenment. You are supposed to have faith in the Buddha to lead you along the right path before you can verify it yourself. In the west, orthodox Christianity says have faith in Christ to bring about Theosis, something is also experiential in the same manner as Buddhism, except theosis is direct personal encounter with God and a state of being.
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Barzakh (برزخ)@Substantial6187·
Buddhism is an atheistic religion in a purely philosophical sense, what's so controversial about it ? What should be discouraged and fought against is it being labelled not a religion.
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Eliah Ruan
Eliah Ruan@EliahRuan·
There was no guarantee. By all odds in the Roman Empire, the only guarantee logically and historically was death and humiliation. What was being done was being done for the first time. Same for the Spartans, there was no guarantee Greece could win. Not any better than blue winning. The question is are you will to give your life for the greater good. In non of those cases was it “rational”, as reds say, which they mean the choice that ensures their own self preservation regardless of others choices.
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Vamachara
Vamachara@Vamalama·
@EliahRuan @cremieuxrecueil Man I could write an essay on this, so its hard to condense into a tweet, but Yes: martyrs and saints inspire Yes: because they were fighting to preserve their way of life When you have reason to believe your way of life will win out, and that they will eventually convert.
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Eliah Ruan
Eliah Ruan@EliahRuan·
Do martyrs and saints have anything to do with survival? Was it logical when the men of the west went to the black gate? When the 300 held for time for the rest of Greece? Greece would have perfectly fine under Persian rule. Why fight and risk their life? When is it logical to truly love your enemy? Even when they hurt you?
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Vamachara
Vamachara@Vamalama·
@EliahRuan @cremieuxrecueil not that it has anything to do with what I'm saying here but: they are. Morality evolved alongside human tribes, and one of it's utilities was to attempt to maximize the survival of the tribe. Those that had more functional morality in this regard survived more often.
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Eliah Ruan
Eliah Ruan@EliahRuan·
@JC_AveMaria @Real_Malachite @MrBeast Your right, Christianity is famous for not making sacrifices for the greater good and the other. The martyrs, saints, and early Christians are so proud of you and your obvious rationality.
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Jesse 🇻🇦
Jesse 🇻🇦@JC_AveMaria·
@EliahRuan @Real_Malachite @MrBeast Yeah glad you noticed the cross, then you should know that I am morally obligated to purposefully play with my mortality for no good reason. It is in the best interest of every person on earth to choose red and not gamble with their lives
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MrBeast
MrBeast@MrBeast·
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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Eliah Ruan
Eliah Ruan@EliahRuan·
@ProctorZ Marching on the black gate of morder also wasn’t a sane decision.
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Proctor Zakharov
Proctor Zakharov@ProctorZ·
I'm late to the whole red & blue button thing but all I can say is that I cannot even grasp the mindset of people who seem to think pressing blue is the sane decision.
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Camillus
Camillus@Camillus390·
@cremieuxrecueil All of this is ridiculous. The red choice is the only rational one if the number of voters is fairly large and if you place even a little importance on your life. The probability that my vote is decisive if I vote blue is approximately equal to zero.
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Vamachara
Vamachara@Vamalama·
@cremieuxrecueil This is dishonest. Predicating the intelligence of both sides on whether they're willing to accept a pro-blue premise is intentionally misleading There will be blue pushers who agree with the premise not because they have critically considered the logic but because it's pro-blue
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Eliah Ruan
Eliah Ruan@EliahRuan·
Red thinks that reason alone or reason primarily should guide moral or life decisions. Conscience, moral intuition, principled commitment, the sense of what is fitting in this particular situation, the apprehension of beauty and rightness, the recognition of another person as a genuine other rather than as a calculable object - all of these become, from within the framework, mere subjective phenomena without cognitive authority.
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Psychopete12
Psychopete12@Psychopete56350·
@EliahRuan @Real_Malachite @MrBeast LMFAO it doesn’t disprove his point in a HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION. 🤦‍♂️why the fuck do I have to live in a world with people this dumb
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Eliah Ruan
Eliah Ruan@EliahRuan·
Because not even in the most trivial polls does everyone make the rational choice. Blue is a choice to say nobody is abandoned. Additionally, especially in the original framing. We know that it is biased so that more people are likely to pick blue. The closer blue is estimated to be 50% the greater the moral weight. Even if constituted by blues actions. Any abstraction that tries to remove it from the context creates something new that has nothing to do with the original poll, and would be a seperate decision. Every poll is irreducibly contextual, there is no single correct abstract answer in reality, every abstraction is a lossy representation that losses details that at essential for the moral decision in the originating contexts. The frame is constitutive of reality.
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🎀 Kawagiwirl 🎀
🎀 Kawagiwirl 🎀@kawagiwirl·
Im genuinely wondering why would anyone even press blue in the first place 😭 🔴 = 100% chance of getting nothing 🔵 = 50% chance of getting nothing / 50% chance of losing something Why would you bet on negative ?
MrBeast@MrBeast

Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.

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Eliah Ruan
Eliah Ruan@EliahRuan·
@Clutch_92 @Real_Malachite @MrBeast And it’s not a completely symmetric outcome. Not even in the most trivial polls does everyone agree. The blue choice is the choice to say nobody is abandoned.
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Eliah Ruan
Eliah Ruan@EliahRuan·
My point is that the ethics of the decision isn’t based solely on the structure. But the context. The closer to 50% that blue gets, the more moral weight attached to siding with blue. Even if that moral weight came from the blue voters as well. If the problem were framed such that nobody would choose blue, it wouldn’t be a problem. But obviously it is not, as we see from the stats
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Eliah Ruan
Eliah Ruan@EliahRuan·
Where am I wrong? People are addicted to certainty. They want one right answer, and can’t accept that situations need to be evaluated based on context. If the framing makes it more likely that people choose blue, that makes a material difference. Living in a fake abstracted world is a fantasy. Pure cope.
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Lunya 105 💫
Lunya 105 💫@lunya105·
Am I missing something here?? It’s easier to get >50% Blue than 100% Red Even 1% is 80 million people dead if 99% clicked red. So if the results were switched, that’s 3.5 billion people dead. Society would be in shambles and your life/the world would change drastically :(
MrBeast@MrBeast

Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.

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Eliah Ruan
Eliah Ruan@EliahRuan·
You are changing the framing. In the original situation, you have to evaluate how others will respond. The closer you believe that blue is to 50%, the more unethical it would be to not choose blue. If the framing has the exact same abstract structure, but makes it very unlikely that anyone would ever choose blue, then that is a different situation. People are trying to abstract out the structure and frame it differently to avoid context dependence, and then saying that context is unfair and unrealistic.
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MoonlitShade
MoonlitShade@x_MoonlitShade·
@EliahRuan @lunya105 False. Identical outcomes to the original Mr. Beast post. 100% Red, 0% Blue: Everyone lives. 0% Red, 100% Blue: Everyone lives. <50% Red, >50% Blue: Everyone lives. >50% Red, <50% Blue: Blue pressers killed themselves.
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Eliah Ruan
Eliah Ruan@EliahRuan·
You are changing the framing. In the original situation, you have to evaluate how others will respond. The closer you believe that blue is to 50%, the more unethical it would be to not choose blue. If the framing has the exact same abstract structure, but makes it very unlikely that anyone would ever choose blue, then that is a different situation. People are trying to abstract out the structure and frame it differently to avoid context dependence, and then saying that context is unfair and unrealistic.
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Dark1337ness
Dark1337ness@Dark1337ness·
@EliahRuan @Common_mon @Elesoterik @Real_Malachite @MrBeast Red is objectively the better option regardless of if there’s context or not or what the context is. Any person who picks red instantly wins, pick blue and you immediately put yourself at guaranteed risk of death unless you are saved by at least 50% of participants risking lives
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Eliah Ruan
Eliah Ruan@EliahRuan·
@x_MoonlitShade @lunya105 This framing leads to different outcomes. It’s irrelevant to the moral decision in the original post. Every moral decision is contextual and not just based on abstract structure.
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MoonlitShade
MoonlitShade@x_MoonlitShade·
@lunya105 The goal isn’t for 100%, it’s just the simple fact that you have a 0% chance of dying if you press red. Anyone who pressed blue literally did it to themselves.
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Eliah Ruan
Eliah Ruan@EliahRuan·
@5stringTex You are viewing form the perspective of an individual. Not as a part of a whole.
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