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Football Observer@FOBSVR·
Bruno Fernandes has been United’s most impactful player since his arrival. In the midst of transfer dopamine, let's reflect and appreciate what he's done. We will explore three metrics, Att. Threat, Poss. Influence and Def. Work rate as components of Team performance - Thread🧵
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Football Observer@FOBSVR·
@pranav_m28 Very interesting Would be interested to see where each player received the passes final 3rd, middle 3rd etc. This data would be heavily influenced by his time playing in the pivot , mostly passes to WBs and fellow DMs
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Pranav@pranav_m28·
What do Man United players do after receiving a pass from Bruno Fernandes? -Casemiro makes the most successful progressive passes after receiving a pass from Bruno. Followed by Luke Shaw and Amad. -Amad also attempts a lot of dribbles after receiving a pass from Bruno but has a very low completion rate (2/12). -Amad and Mbeumo have taken the most shots followed Cunha. -Cunah with the most take-ons completed. *This is the first example of what I am planning with this, visuals wise. Working on a meaningful action map + hoping to add some more meaningful columns to this table if possible. Give your suggestions below.
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"What 83 you talkin bout?" "BAM'S 83!"@sthsthburner

Random q for ppl who make bespoke stats has anyone done anything related to average success of an action preceded by a pass from a specific player? E.g. how successful is the next pass, dribble, shot of United player immediately after receiving the ball from Bruno vs their avg?

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Football Observer@FOBSVR·
@AFCYop_ 1. That proposed pass from Kepa isn't as easy as it looks There'll be players out of frame waiting to pounce on him while the ball is travelling 2. The entire game plan was to bait the press and go long that's not on Kepa alone That's why Arteta left Havertz and Gyokeres high
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Yop@AFCYop_·
Reasons why we lost this game : —Kepa (bait and beat the press) —We couldn’t win second balls (our midfielders job)
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Football Observer@FOBSVR·
@IndivAnalyst Agreed Ball carriers break structures Bernardo did it for City Dropping any players would cause them to be outnumbered further up the field tho nullifying going long which was their entire plan They wanted to bait City and go long but City refused x.com/Leo_nxgen/stat…
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You can't try to limit a team PSG, Bayern, City or Barcelona with this, they'd find solutions with quality. This is where I have problems with Rice (if people think he's as elite on the ball). He hasn't shown that level of control or tempo in his game. I don't think anyone saw Pep drawing up a 4-2-4 to limit Arsenal's progression but it's no secret that Saliba and Gabriel aren't elite on the ball. Arne Slot did something similar at the Emirates. He forced Arsenal to play through their center backs and man-marked Zubimendi. They didn't progress easily in that game. You need quality in this moment asides structure. Life without Ødegaard...

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The Individual Coach-Analyst@IndivAnalyst·
@FOBSVR Good point, thats when maybe a CM ( Rice/Zubimendi) can drop in front and carry the ball to bait the press & find a forward pass (solution 2)
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The Individual Coach-Analyst@IndivAnalyst·
The front 4 press isn’t new - and the solutions don’t have to be complex. 5 from Helberg’s Boro vs Stoke: – One CM drops, one behind the press – CBs close → quicker circulation – FBs narrow, offensive side → back-foot receive – Play through to go wide – CBs stepping in Solutions come as much from players as coaches -tailored to profiles, opposition and game context.
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Red Marrow@RedMarrow_·
You can pinpoint the exact moment when United changed managers.
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King Phelz@KingPhelz·
We need only 10pts from here 😂
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Sofascore Football@Sofascore·
🪄 | In a league of his own List of players with 10+ assists, 10+ big chances created and 50+ key passes in the Premier League this season: • Bruno Fernandes (16 🅰️ / 24 🎁 / 101 🔑) That's it. That's the list. 🇵🇹⭐️
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JK@JK_316·
@Hosang @DareDamilareanu @FOBSVR ... & from that then show your conclusion. But it still requires showing the pros & cons & the full picture, even if that means you don't want Carrick. Like I said that what I have to do If you just focus on 1 side in analysis then that falls more towards standard fan opinion
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Football Observer@FOBSVR·
@Hosang @JK_316 @DareDamilareanu Emotion is human but is one of the root causes of bias Consistently downplaying Amorims weaknesses and doing the reverse for Carrick is fundamentally biased Your feelings about Amorim should never have impacted how Carrick is assessed The other side bias has emotions as well
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Jimmy Hosang@Hosang·
You have an issue with orientation. Look at things from my perspective. I thought we were a couple of pieces away from winning a league with Amorim’s style of football, pressing, overloads, high line etc after years and years of the game model being fundamentally non-elite and United hovering between 4th-6th (and lower under ETH). Then Amorim gets sacked and we bring in an interim with no proven CV of success, who is replicating the same “results over game model” attitude I’ve seen multiple times before (Jose to ETH), and when he tries to implement modern, elite theory (like high press), the opposition walks through us (like ETH)… So from my perspective, would you be happy? Why do I have to give “balance”? I think I am being balanced. Results are amazing, but he can’t be given the job based on performances.
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Football Observer@FOBSVR·
@MUFC__Prince Bruno solves problems So wherever there is a problem he'll go there Our team lacks a progressive passer so to bridge that gap he drops Get a midfielder who can progress the ball and he won't have to drop as much x.com/FOBSVR/status/…
Football Observer@FOBSVR

@Hosang @zirkwood_ Keep going Bruno drops deeper because... we didn't have anyone else who can reliably consistently progress the ball So in games like Bournemouth where the distance between the backline and attack are high He drops to bridge the gap Solution: get more players who can do that

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Prince@MUFC__Prince·
There’s an interesting pattern when Bruno Fernandes plays as a 10. This is not criticism of him. Whenever he plays in that role, the striker tends to get isolated and struggles. It’s because Bruno doesn’t stay fixed - he roams to influence the game, which is his strength. But it comes with a cost. Unless you’re a hold-up striker like Didier Drogba, you end up alone. Bryan Mbeumo is dealing with that right now - whenever we go long, there’s no support around him. That’s why Ruben Amorim played Bruno deeper - to help progression, connect play to the two 10s, and allow them to win second balls when we go long. And it worked. Earlier under Michael Carrick, Bruno and Mbeumo stayed closer - almost like a 4-4-2 - so there was more support. Now that link is gone. I don’t know what changed, but the difference is clear.
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Football Observer@FOBSVR·
@DareDamilareanu @Hosang @JK_316 There's going to be exaggeration on both sides Everybody will say the other side has more support All being biased does one way or the other is perpetuate that cycle and make the other side push harder There's no noble cause to bias
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Football Observer@FOBSVR·
@SaviP329 @Utdbeni I like Bruno G I can agree he is progressive Just still don't think it's enough They are more progressive midfielders out there
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Savi@SaviP329·
@FOBSVR @Utdbeni He's very very progressive.. I don't think you've watched him
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rú𝑩𝑬𝑵 🇵🇹
rú𝑩𝑬𝑵 🇵🇹@Utdbeni·
Have we asked our selves why we can’t dictate play and our midfield looks nonexistent, bring players who are not afraid of the ball. Casemiro scores and tackles well but he’s not good on the ball, don’t bring someone with same profile
(fan) Frank 🧠🇾🇪@FrankEra_

🚨🎙️ | Fabrizio Romano on the Bruno Guimarães to #MUFC links: “It’s TRUE. A meeting took place between the agents of Bruno Guimarães and United a few weeks ago. “United maintain a GOOD relationship with the agency. Other players are on the list. “The club has A LOT of things to clarify and options to study before making a decision.” [@FabrizioRomano/@Utdtruthful]

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Jimmy Hosang@Hosang·
@JK_316 @DareDamilareanu @FOBSVR Yes, perhaps. But that’s because everyone is being FAR FAR FAR too positive. And I mean FAR. We could end up with a coach with no formal support of the hierarchy, be in 8th by November and Steve Holland is caretaker.
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