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@Xbunnyrabbit @TheFrostPrime "Hur hur. Just dont be sad forehead" Depression, as well known as it is. Isn't known enough. The amount of ignorance surrounding Depression and other illness is baffling. It's not a choice. It's an illness.

@GSJS_1 @JPCatulus @BjornW8916 @redtachyon And now pretend it's the opposite way around. Everyone. Everyone chose red. Unequivocally unanimous. But 2.4 billion slipped and pressed blue. They all die. For what? Nothing. All because of an accident. That's the risk of red.

@GSJS_1 @JPCatulus @BjornW8916 @redtachyon But there's no risk for blue. Everyone chose blue. It was a unanimous choice. Unequivocally unanimous. There was no risk. Assume it's the entire 8 bil people. And even 2.4 billion (30%) accidentally pressed red (children who might have slipped), everyone lived.

Red button, blue button, blah blah you know the drill. However, for whatever reason you're also asked to vote on behalf of your child, or any other person that you love very much. What do?

@Snack_0verflow @CraftyCorvos Unironically yea. I did not make the choice but rather the maker of the buttons. Personally. I still choose Blue. I dont blame you for choosing red, or not wanting to choose. I blame the creator. Does that make sense?

@I_is_like_stuff @CraftyCorvos So if instead of pressing red, there is a time limit, and if you don't press blue in time, then the red button will press itself automatically, to you that would somehow change the (meaning of the) decision, because now red is true inaction, no only equivalent to inaction?

"Those selfish red button pressers wanna murder all of us blue button pressers!!! >:c" You're literally free to not press the "russian roulette for me pls" button; no benefit whatsoever to partaking in this pointless gamble Red: 42.1% Blue: 57.9% You can't make this shit up

@bigwetbeans @GarrettPetersen Nah it's more like: *Man holding a gun to someone else's head* Sorry man, if the gun holders are the majority we kill you. But what if we don't pick up a gun? I can't risk that. I don't wanna be killed.

There is a black button. Everyone in the world gets a chance to press the button or walk away. If at least half of people decide to press the button, nothing happens. If fewer than half of people press the button, everyone who pressed it dies. Do you press the black button?

@Snack_0verflow @Viirush The original scenario posits "If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive." Then that would include those who didn't make a choice and condemn them to die by pressing red. Blue saves everyone including the non-choosers.

@Viirush @I_is_like_stuff I do, I'm just rejecting the commenter's framing of it as red literally killing people (not that it matters, since the only people killed are ones who literally signed up to being killed, and they did so for no benefit whatsoever) x.com/Snack_0verflow…

@Testudol @Snack_0verflow I respect that. But I know people who would choose blue for the mere fact that they know that if even a few would choose blue, they wouldn't want them to die, so they'd choose blue in response, and so would I.

@I_is_like_stuff @Snack_0verflow I trust you will not put yourself in mortal danger for no reason.

@Testudol @Snack_0verflow Understandable. But I don't see the decision as a coin flip. This is not a game of chance, but a game of trust as I see it. Do you trust your fellow man enough to want your own survival as much as you want theirs? If not. Red. If yes? Blue.

@I_is_like_stuff @Snack_0verflow I propose to you a coinflip. If you win you get nothing, life goes on as it always did. If you lose the coin flip there's a chance you'll die on the spot. You can also refuse this offer. Literally no reason to participate in the coin flip.

@JPCatulus @BjornW8916 @redtachyon Whats the difference between choosing red red vs blue blue? In this hypothetical assume everyone, and I mean EVERYONE unequivocally chooses red red or blue blue. No what ifs or anything. We all chose red red or blue blue. What is the difference?

@I_is_like_stuff @BjornW8916 @redtachyon The optimal scenario is everyone choosing red red

@Snack_0verflow Let's say this instead. We have three populations. 1. Those who hide and survive. 2. Those who do nothing and die. 3. Those who stand underneath the meteor. If enough people stand under the meteor, the damage is somehow spread enough that everyone survives with minor injuries.

@I_is_like_stuff If a Meteor strikes earth, and let's say people who were in their basement, when it hit, survive the shockwave (if they are far enough away), and people who didn't died. Then you would say, that the basement hiders killed the ones who didn't hide. I will not take survivors' guilt

@CraftyCorvos @Snack_0verflow Ah, but you see. The woodchipper scenario vs the button prompt is action vs inaction. I believe the button requires you to make peace that your choice will actively condemn those who disagree. While the woodchipper is a wheel already in motion. Inaction is not an action to take.

@I_is_like_stuff @Snack_0verflow This is your red button. Blue button question put in a different format. You're welcome

@fartrapist666 @Snack_0verflow Lmao yeah. I messed up the wording. Red for sure wins in that scenario.

@I_is_like_stuff @Snack_0verflow If only those who press the red button will survive, then I'd be pretty stupid not to press red.

@redtachyon @f_mazo13174 @BjornW8916 My best friend is an orphan. My have enough friends and family I can trust, and despite differences, Red or Blue presser, I know who can and will look after them. If the people who choose red are as selfless as they say. I trust my fellow man to look after each other.

@I_is_like_stuff @f_mazo13174 @BjornW8916 Are you willing to take the risk of leaving your child orphaned?

@iSkyzzle @LordTash2 @ChrisPacia The moment the argument becomes attacting the other person, no matter your original argument, you've lost the plot. I respect you and your opinions as well. As I've stated previously, red, blue, doesn't matter. We want our fellow man to live. The way is different, but the same.

@I_is_like_stuff @LordTash2 @ChrisPacia That is fair. I respect you and I appreciate that we can actually debate about this.

If you vote differently in these scenarios congrats you are irrational. Time to do some introspection and figure out why you respond emotionally to things rather than logically.

@iSkyzzle @LordTash2 @ChrisPacia Because I'm in another self-sacrificing field, the medical. Politics aside, within my country I believe there's no need for military forces aside from self-defense. If the call to action arises to protect my home. So be it. But we live in a time of peace, what need is a sword?

@I_is_like_stuff @LordTash2 @ChrisPacia If that is the case, why aren't you in the military?

@f_mazo13174 @BjornW8916 @redtachyon That's exactly why I would press the blue for me, red for my child. I'm willing to make the risk. If I am wrong, so be it. By the blade I swing, so shall I fall. My child never held the blade. Why should they be cut?

@BjornW8916 @I_is_like_stuff @redtachyon La gracia del botón es esa, todos como individuos tiene que tomar una decisión, sin comunicación y sin influencia externa. Todo el mundo va a seguir ese supuesto contrato social o van a la segura?

@iSkyzzle @LordTash2 @ChrisPacia I do agree with you on that point. If blue jumping in causes the machine to start. Then don't jump in. But the button press scenario assumes you don't know how many pressed the button. I'm just willing to put my life on the line to save my fellow man.

@I_is_like_stuff @LordTash2 @ChrisPacia Okay I misspoke, blue team does not start the wood chipper, but blue team causes the wood chipper being able to start to matter. The wood chipper can start and run till the blades fall off, that only matters if you pick blue

@iSkyzzle @LordTash2 @ChrisPacia The 3rd option in the woodchipper is pressing the start button on the woodchipper, akin to the Red button. I don't believe Red is the bad guy in all honesty. Just a different view. In the end you want to live. You also want others to live without putting yourself at risk.

This seems like complete misunderstanding of the wood chipper problem to justify actual consequences being avoided. What is the 3rd option in the wood chipper problem? You either jump in or you don’t. Also why is red made out to be the bad guy when blue is the team creating risk? Why is blue not chastised for essentially saying: you can have 100% survival, but I’ll die, but also if you pick my button we might both also die with no guarantee.

@iSkyzzle @LordTash2 @ChrisPacia My argument here is that pressing Red does do something. It kills those who didn't press it. This includes those who don't make a choice. It's inaction vs action. Within the button scenario you actively make a choice. Within the woodchipper scenario you don't.

This is such a comical way to justify irrationality. So you are claiming that, because you pressed a button that does nothing, you are now responsible for the deaths of all the illogical people who pressed blue? But at the same time, by doing literally nothing, you are not responsible for the people who jumped in the wood chipper?

@LordTash2 @ChrisPacia Of button pressers are blue. Anyone NOT pressing red dies. Including those who didnt choose. So by choosing blue, you are also saving those who don't chose. "Only people who pressed red button survive." Blue saves the silent voices of those who don't/can't/won't make a choice.2/2

@LordTash2 @ChrisPacia But you can't leave without choosing anything. You gotta press a button. My answer would change if it was only 1 button. But reading the wording made me realize something too... If you indeed are allowed to not press a button... You die too. As the question states if minority 1/?