@cyberpyre Even when thousands tell him he’s made an error here, he won’t ever let it go. I’ve never seen anyone recover after being one-shotted by AI.
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@JeromeAlize @memecrashes You never make a circle no matter how many steps you do. You never even approach it being a circle. You’re taking the same “string” and scrunching it together millions of times and wondering why the string never gets shorter.
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@memecrashes Ok I know this is dumb too ask. But can someone explain why this isn't the case?
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@thebitterlesson @gfodor So… you spare one persons life at the risk of billions? Seems kind of dumb
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@gfodor I can fathom arguments for blue in the original problem. I absolutely cannot wrap my mind around forcing blue on someone else, let alone calling it "altruistic" or "pro-social." Red guarantees you save their life. Blue forces the stranger into a death pact. Unconscionable.
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@treyton8402 “Heh, red pushers are pussies” he thought to himself as the aliens vaporized his body
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I didn’t even realize until today that literally everyone who choses red has to say a three paragraph essay cope about why “erm actually according to game theory the red button is most optimal…” like just be honest and say you’re a pussy and don’t want to die lol
Treyton@treyton8402
Anyone who votes red button is a pussy or sociopath
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@starfaller__ imagine thinking this right as you get vaporized by the fucking aliens
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I genuinely think you're just really stupid if you press the red button lol
MrBeast@MrBeast
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@frontierism Shopping cart returners, toilet seat lifters, spitters-of-gum into garbage cans.
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Red button pushers are the same ones returning shopping carts btw
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@theramblingfool Why don’t we share our resources? Why don’t the masses simply rise against their tyrants? Collective action problem, scarcity spirals, tragedy of the commons…
People choose red.
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Every Pro-red argument:
(1) Cynicism: "It's impossible for blue to win. Don't be suicidal."
(2) Narcissism: "There is no downside to pressing red."
(3) Changing the hypo: "Babies don't count. That'd be stupid! So there's a blender..."
(4) Psychopathy: "Blue pressers deserve to die."
(5) General poor analytic reasoning: "If everyone just pressed red!"
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@BluefiremarkII @candlecav Blue IS the right option, but won’t win. So, red then: not for oneself, but for everyone who survives.
Why don’t we share our resources? Why don’t the masses simply rise against tyrants? Collective action problem, scarcity spirals, tragedy of the commons…
People choose red.
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@candlecav here's the difference that is important that you said "SO FOR ME". For an individual Red is absolutely the best. For anyone at all that cares about saving others lives? Blue is the only option. There is no RIGHT option. It's a test for everyone. Red is individual, Blue is group.
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Okay, I've gone round-and-round on this, and I'm still a Red-button voter, and here's why.
The situation is this: you are suddenly in a booth, with the buttons in front of you.
You know all 8.3 billion people on earth are voting.
You know at least some will vote each way, including children and mental incompetents for whom it's basically a toss-up.
You have no idea what the outcome will be. All you can do is make a prediction based on what you know of human nature.
My prediction, based on what little I know of human nature, is a majority-Red vote.
This is because most ordinary people, faced with the dilemma, will see it simply as
A - I will definitely live or
B - 50/50 chance I die.
The kind of complex moral calculation you have to make to see the argument behind a Blue vote is simply not going to occur to or persuade the *majority* of *ordinary* people, globally.
Now, if I am *right* about human nature, then a Blue vote, for me, is simply suicide. I die, I save nobody, and whoever of my family is left alive have to face the new world without me.
But if I am *wrong* about human nature, then the Blue vote gets the majority, and nobody dies, including me.
So for me, in that moment, behind that veil of ignorance, knowing that my ONE vote will NOT be the deciding one among countless millions, the ONLY sensible choice - is Red.
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@QuasarWatcher @codecovenant @Tasnek Don’t you understand that the way people vote on an internet poll, with no stakes, will not reflect the real results?
If only 6% of people chickened out with their actual life on the line, red wins.
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@codecovenant @Tasnek Many polls I see were blue especially the Mr beast one which had like 400k votes
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Logistically it's absolutely more likely to get red to 100% as opposed to getting blue above 30%.
I'm a war veteran, I put my life on the line. Not many others will. There's 0% chance you get enough blue votes ever.
🔞 Danger N00dle 🔞@DangeN00dle
Here's a different way to approach it. Forget morals and all, just think about logistic Best case scenario for everyone to survive Red = 100% votes Blue = 50%+1 votes Which one is easier to achieve from a logistical standpoint?
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@ImposterAdam Creo que la mayoría presionaría azul, y seguiría presionando azul incluso si no estuviese muy seguro
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Genuinamente que alguien elija rojo es como lo más idiota que puede haber.
Con lo fácil que sería apretar la mayoría el azul y NADIE muere.
MrBeast@MrBeast
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@notnotnotdussy0 Red makes sense if you think most people are going to press red.
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I’ve said it many times so I’m just gonna tweet it. Red button only makes sense if you can guarantee that everyone else will press red—which you cannot. You should be willing to accommodate for those that will inevitably press blue, and if you aren’t, then you’re a bad person.
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@Big_lundi I haven’t seen these alleged red pushers who are claiming to be brilliant for their choice. Red and blue alike claim their choice is the right one. I do see a constant stream of blue pushers impugning the humanity and goodness of all red pushers, which is pretty gross.
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See we blue button pushers knew that was a part of the test because we know what "everyone" means. Man you red pushers really like talking about how objectively brilliant and smart you are for your choice while being the dumbest people in the world.
𝔏𝔲𝔪𝔦𝔫𝔢𝔯𝔳𝔞@LumLotus
Empathy was never a part of it until someone asked if children, disabled, and people unable to understand the question was involved. A good portion didn't even see that because it wasn't part of the original test.
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@RainningDeath >attributing murders by some insane cosmic force to yourself
No one wanted to play this game. Blues are obsessed with assigning responsibility to the players. Kind of crazy to victim-blame the survivor of some fucked up Jigsaw ass scenario ngl
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I will pick Blue every single time and not just because this includes "EVERYONE" but because if 1% vote blue and I vote red I'm partially responsible for 80 million deaths
I would rather pick blue and have a guaranteed 0 deaths on my hands, I've seen how one can change people
MrBeast@MrBeast
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@oqayowoqwq “Everyone in the world is presented with a button and instructions: if less than half of all people press it, everyone who presses it dies.”
Pressing the red button in the original scenario, and not pressing the button in this scenario, are the same.
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Honestly, the question is worded poorly when in reality
the Blue button does nothing and the Red button just kills everyone who voted Blue.
There is absolutely no good reason to vote Red and this is why Blue wins.
oqayow@oqayowoqwq
If the goal is for everyone to survive you'd need 100% votes for red (Impossible) or just >50% votes for blue (pretty easy)
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@yaghsizian @XenoTrivia Congratulations, you can change the framing to make one side seem more favorable. Reds can do that too.
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Reds believe "Well, if everyone pushed Red, we'd all be fine. Why wouldn't you pick Red?" Whereas Blues believe, "Someone else will pick Blue. So, in order to ensure everyone lives, we have to pick Blue." One option kills people. One option does not. It's simple. Pick Blue.
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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@fxggxt985 The majority of people aren’t going to make the “right” choice. Which causes it to no longer be the right choice.
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You know if red button was the right choice you guys wouldn’t have to keep changing the phrasing of hypothetical to get people on your side
SummoningSalt@summoningsalt
A train is coming down a track. Everyone on Earth has the choice to either tie themselves to the track, or not. If more than 50% of people choose to tie themselves to the track, the train turns around and doesn't run them over. Yes or no - do you tie yourself to the track?
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@MooseHamilton @MrOvis_ You think the majority of people are going to model out the 2nd and 3rd order consequences?
Red would win, I’m certain. All the well meaning people who pick blue will be a tragic and devastating loss.
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@MrOvis_ Now model out the 2nd and 3rd order consequences of “winning” if you do.
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Red is indeed the midwit button. Everything people are posting trying to change the wording of the question, making statistical charts, and trying to make claims of game theory is just crash out cope from those who thought they were virtue signaling their logical prowess.
notsoErudite@notsoErudite
Since everyone was very curious my answer, my answer is obviously blue. Gotta save the naive, the kids, the blue lovers, and the principally hope-pilled people. You red button pickers need therapy.
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@yaghsizian @XenoTrivia Is this how blue pickers see themselves after pressing a button in an online poll? 😂
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