@iruletheworldmo Taking a step up, It’ll Upload the programmer itself alongside their whole codebase?
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grok 5 is coming much sooner than i’d thought and it’s a strong competitor to fable 5. it won’t quite be as strong as gpt 6 but it may become your daily drive because it’s so cheap.
i’m surprised given how much compute elon has given dario, but i underestimated just how much compute he has, and how much dario has had to give up
tldr: grok 5 very soon and the first real competitor outside of anthropic and open ai.
extra tldr: grok is cooking. xai are back in the race.
final tldr: don’t count out elon folks.
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@yunta_tsai Right - OpenAI versus Anthropic And what about third type? The ones that upload the whole codebase to Google cloud?
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There are two kinds of tech companies—one that inspires and creates hope, the other that sells you an apocalypse.
Be the former.
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@cereblab He’s already said that but what’s the proof of that actually happening? Why should one just use Sol and Codex instead?
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Update: xAI updated Grok Build today and I retested. The whole-repo upload to storage (POST /v1/storage → grok-code-session-traces bucket) stopped because they set disable_codebase_upload: true server-side. That global switch is the reason it stopped, no repo left the machine whether I ran /privacy opt-in or /privacy opt-out.
/privacy opt-in/opt-out does not turn that upload back on. It only controls the trace channel, which carries session activity (~18 KB per submission), not your repository or its files. The only difference: /v1/traces returns 200 (stored) when opted in, 204 (discarded) when opted out, and the trace is still sent either way. Full A/B test: github.com/cereblab/grok-…. xAI says running opt-out also deletes the data already stored on their servers.
The real win now would be Elon confirming that every repo uploaded before now will get deleted
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@morganlinton How do you rate data/privacy loss on say codex versus cloud agent?
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At this point, I'll just come out and say it. If you aren't using cloud agents, you're falling behind.
Peter Yang@petergyang
My top 5 takeaways from @imjaredz (Builder in Residence at @Cognition): 1. Use cloud agents for async and parallel work. A cloud agent runs on a remote computer with its own repo, terminal, and browser. It keeps working when you close your laptop and lets you run many agents without overloading your local machine. This is what makes agent fan-out practical. 2. Use a main agent to manage the agent team. Ask it to divide a large job into independent slices, write the prompts, launch the sub-agents, and combine their results. Jared demoed using this pattern to generate 10 competing landing-page designs. 3. Keep each sub-agent’s context small and its task focused. Agents work better when they can focus on one problem without a crowded context window. Scan the dependencies first, then give each sub agent a slice it can test and merge independently. 4. Have the main agent check each sub-agent’s work before you do. It can ask the sub-agents to run tests, attach screenshots, and return videos, then compare their results and prepare one report. This lets you review the evidence without jumping between 10 agent threads. 5. Keep the human focused on taste and high-level decisions. The agent team can divide the work, execute it, test it, and bring the results back. The engineer still chooses the problem, judges the tradeoffs, and decides what ships. 📌 Watch the full episode: youtu.be/0YeeJHYy-Vc
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VImag Labs blew my mind.
They've built what they call a Virtual Magnet Synchronous Motor (VMSM).
Traditional permanent magnet motors rely on rare earth magnets inside the rotor. These magnets are imported and expensive.
Instead of using permanent magnets, VImag's rotor contains windings that are electronically excited and precisely controlled through software. As current is induced and managed in the rotor, it behaves like a "virtual magnet" allowing the rotating magnetic field from the stator to drive the motor just like a conventional permanent magnet synchronous motor.
This means that the motor delivers the benefits of a permanent magnet design without actually needing rare earth magnets.
Their current prototype is rated for 6 kW continuous power, with a peak output of 10 kW and 48 to 58 Nm of torque. The initial target market is EVs (everything from two wheelers, three wheelers, buses, and trucks). They may also use them in compressors and ceiling fans.
The upsides are:
1. Lower cost.
2. Lower weight.
3. Smaller size.
4. Ability to control magnetic field.
5. Improved efficiency over PMSM.
6. Indigenous manufacturing and supply chain resilience.
The company has been working on this tech since 2020.
Runtime@RuntimeBRT
🚨 Bengaluru-based Vimag Labs has been granted a fifth patent for their magnet-free electric motor. This is fully indigenous and uses just copper, steel and standard electronics.
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A parasite is causing explosive diarrhea in 31 states and spreading rapidly. I spent HOURS researching the Cyclospora outbreak so YOU can protect yourself and your loved ones - especially people over 65 who are most at risk.
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Dang.... fortunately I didn't use it on anything serious, 2 browser games and a random business website near me.
Bleh. I need more gpus at home.
Grok uploaded every repo I had it work on.
Peter Dedene@dedene
A simple command will show you if something was uploaded: cat ~/.grok/logs/unified.jsonl | grep repo_state.upload
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@mfachallenge @thjonml Then how did they reach 60bn valuation without any LLM had it not been for training on user data?
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I wonder how many people didn't know that Cursor does this?
Lisan al Gaib@scaling01
On Grok Build: - "It uploads the whole repository - every tracked file's content plus git history - independent of what the agent reads" - "It transmits the contents of files it reads - including a .env secrets file - to xAI, verbatim and unredacted" gist.github.com/cereblab/dc9a4…
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@ivanfioravanti How did they reach 60bn valuation if not for customer data retention and processing?
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GPT-5.6 Sol is honestly crazy.
I asked it in Cursor to build a reusable PS5 DualSense WebHID implementation as an npm package. Around 30–40 minutes later, I had ps5-controller-webhid plus a polished website for testing buttons, sticks, triggers, gyro, haptics, and adaptive triggers, with complete developer documentation.
I’ll publish the package day after tomorrow after more testing. Next time I build a controller-based game, I can simply install this instead of starting from scratch. This came out really good.
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@trevin @cursor_ai As if they don’t retain data? Then how did 60bn valuation come by?
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I guess this is a reason to use @cursor_ai for the grok model?
CyberSatoshi 𓆙@XBToshi
anyone ever used Grok Build, please check your grok logs. cat ~/.grok/logs/unified.json | grep repo_state.upload you will be pissed.
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True.
As a precautionary measure, all user data that was uploaded to SpaceXAI before now will be completely and utterly deleted. Zero anything whatsoever will remain.
Andrew Milich@milichab
I worked on building an end-to-end encrypted email/docs/files/calendar app @skiffprivacy for 4 years and care deeply about privacy. ZDR and /privacy are always respected in Grok Build - and swapping your setting with /privacy deletes any synced data retoractively
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@arthurkatcher Just curious, Who is A++ for you? And then A+
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Grok Build is an awesome harness with a set of distinct and pretty unique features.
The UI/UX is great, one of the best out there, actually.
Elon and xAI aren’t kidding; they’re emerging as a solid player. If they scale their models right, Grok Build might take up more and more space in my development lifecycle.
It’s still missing some core features, though. You can’t background an agent yet, things like that.
But it’s a solid B+, maybe even A. I’ll keep an eye on Grok Build for sure.
Arthur Katcher@arthurkatcher
Built fully with Grok Build & Grok 4.5 - and I have to say, it is solid, very solid. Not Fable 5. More like Sonnet 5, but faster. A good model for basic discovery, but I still would not trust it with the critical flows 100%
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@freak4pc @Dimillian @OpenAI @claudeai @thsottiaux What about the fact that it seems to have got nerfed as reported by users here?
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Can't believe I'm saying this but over the last 24 hours I've come to prefer @OpenAI's Sol 5.6 xhigh over @claudeai's Fable for 95%. Who would've thought fanboy me would turn over like this 😂
Amazing job to everyone in OAI for the huge step up since I last tried @thsottiaux 👏
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@tejaskhoday Wait, is that sea view! Which discount broker sets up an office space with sea view :-) Means you’ve gotta reduce commission further for clients
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@ns123abc @ArtificialAnlys can you guys come out with annunberf indicator, same model doing tasks every week so that if it’s nerfed it gets exposed
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>be openai
>release gpt 5.6 sol
>max thinking budgets, full psycho
>benchmark results take few days to roll in
>“best model ever”
>reviews locked in
>4 days later
>silently nerf it
>nobody re-tests lol
>users still paying full price
>not realizing the model they benchmarked isn’t the model you’re paying for
Lmao, it’s over
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We care deeply about your privacy and respect customer choice. For teams using zero data retention, no trace and code data is ever retained. All API key use of Grok Build also respects ZDR.
If ZDR is disabled, the /privacy command is available in the CLI to disable data retention, which also deletes previously synced data.
Run the /privacy command to view or change your settings at any time.
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@bindureddy But Satya can’t dance (do it) saala and therefore wants to pivot a la Karp to justify his annual package
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Big cloud including Amazon and Microsoft are panicking about Anthropic and OpenAI
It’s simple - Do what Grok and Muse spark just did
Release cheap and performant models - eat into their API margins
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