@_dc4lsports_ @defytalkcowboys He was drafted with pick 28. When does that player ever have first round potential.
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Jackson Oliver
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@defytalkcowboys Guyton was just never goin to work idk how people saw 1st round potential in his tape
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@gamscout Cough cough Drew Allar and Harold Perkins. Plenty of players their own fans hated but the highlights are awesome
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Dane Brugler brought up a great point the other day. Guys who watch college football and watch players every single week and get to see the flow of the season have a way different opinion on prospects than the guys who watch no ball and just watch some cutups in March and April.
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@OskarBakweSZN Halton should go in that range but he's an Osa clone. Not sure if it's a good fit for the Cowboys. I'd throw a party for RMT at 31.
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7-round Cowboys mock, let me hear some thoughts!!!
Personally, I really love it 🥰
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@Irish_fan_81 @SOONERGW OU is T14th in returning production and returns the second most starters in the SEC. OU returns 16/22 of the starters that beat Bama, Tennessee, Mizzou and LSU.
I think OU fans have the biggest gripe with treating LSU and A&M as a tier above.
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Almost everybody? Guess you don't follow your own team. See there's 22 starters on a team 11 offense 11 defense. OU is returning 14 of them so nearly half left for draft or transferred. I know oklahoma is piss poor in education but surely youre smart enough to know 14 out of 22 isn't almost everyone
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How do we make the playoffs in 2025, return almost EVERYONE and now we’re not a contender?
The Next Round@NextRoundLive
Our SEC Team Tiers heading into the 2026 season How would you rank the 16 teams?
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@ConnorNFLDraft @timeforjeffrey @jtuck151 I’d love for that to be the case. But it’s college tape and our eyes lie all the time. The time is the time as much as we want to like him (if GPS data shows a 4.5 guy then fine)
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@timeforjeffrey @jtuck151 If he was really a 4.7 guy I’d be way more concerned. If you feel the hamstring is fine, he’s a 4.45-4.55 guy on tape all day.
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let it hurt him right to dallas lol
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Jeff Cavanaugh@timeforjeffrey
Is Avieon Terrell going to run again before the draft? Letting a 4.64 hand time stand is gonna hurt him a lot no?
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@InmanRoshi @Not2BeTrite “It’s hard to figure out the 4 players from the 12-20 range that will hit so I don’t wanna play anymore just give me 1 good player” ignores that EZ, James, the safeties and nickel aren’t NFL starting caliber.
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@Not2BeTrite I saw Broaddus saying the other day "I want to move up to Top 10 pick because my job as a scout is to go get a sure thing at not draft a bust at 12 because I stood around". Mindset drives me crazy on so many levels.
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You don't trade up for anything but a QB and even then you're praying that dude will be Derek Carr.
Prospects aren't players. They're....
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John Owning@JohnOwning
Bad idea. Cowboys defense has many holes. Trading multiple picks to move up means you fill fewer of those holes, making it more difficult for the defense to be good. I want the defense to be good, so I want to fill as many of those holes as possible. thank you for coming to my ted talk
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@Marcus_Mosher I disagree that he has a high floor. If he can’t run with NFL players he may not be able to get on the field at all.
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I agree with this take. I can’t believe there are people on this app who think he is good in coverage.
Justen Gammel@gamscout
CJ Allen is a player with a relatively high floor in the sense that you know what he is and he’ll be smart and reliable unless he’s just physically overwhelmed. Problem is he has a pretty low ceiling because physically he may be overwhelmed a lot and he’s not a coverage backer
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@NJSportsDoc @timeforjeffrey I’d need the GPS data. If he’s a genuine 4.65 that’s such an outlier for an elite CB (with 5’11 180lb size) that it has to trump film
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@Jackson37863605 @timeforjeffrey I just don't beleive he's really a 4.65 guy
Watching him at Clemson for 4 years, he always seemed like one of the fastest guys on the field.
I've heard a few scouts say his film is very similar to his brother AJ Terrell's film and AJ ran a 4.42 at the combine
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Terrell has been higher for me all the way. I'm trying to figure out what to do with the benefit of the doubt of a 4.64 pro day time and hamstring stuff.
A 4.64 pro day is a 4.7 combine. If he's a 4.7 guy that's TOUGH livin in the NFL.
Tony Parlay@TonyParlay
@timeforjeffrey Chris Johnson or Aveion Terrell at 20?
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@BigBoolaBoola @NFL_DF It’s a moot point but no one needs to be calling him good character guy. Draft him for what he is
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@NFL_DF It’s a moot point to bring up because it never happened again after this. Shouldn’t get in fights in games but shit happens team is down 30
He is the only one showing fight
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Another concerning David Bailey incident, almost never mentioned…
He stomped on the face of an NC State player in 2024 and was promptly thrown out:
Billy M@BillyM_91
Brugler in the Beast says that scouts want more consistent energy levels from David Bailey behind the scenes. Also cites the photographer incident against ASU, which I’m surprised has somehow completely swept under the rug this cycle
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@Marcus_Mosher @timeforjeffrey You can avoid the metrics and age issue by drafting the best SEC rusher on a per game basis the last two years, R Mason Thomas.
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@timeforjeffrey The metrics are what keeps Howell outside my top-25 players. I don’t have a Round 1 grade on him either
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And this is where I push back even more with Mesidor.
1.17 TFLs/game in his best season is actually below average for the average first-round pick.
You aren’t getting some freaky production out of him despite being in Year 6.
Woah@LonelyWoah
@Marcus_Mosher Obviously if two players are dominate in college, the one doing it at a younger age is more impressive. But getting a dominating player at 24 is more valuable that a 22 year old with tools and traits that hasn’t put it together yet. Production over potential.
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@JoeGoodberry @Marcus_Mosher Your eyes are tricked all time in every aspect of life. That’s my big issue with solely film people. Eye witness testimony is notoriously unreliable and everyone should be much more open to being wrong
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@Marcus_Mosher Also, your eyes are tricked a bit when you're evaluating a 24 year old. He looks stronger, faster, more refined. Seems to anticipate and understand the game better.
Yeah, he's a grown ass man. He should have all of those things over a 21 year old.
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For the last time... the concern about drafting 24 & 25 year old players isn't what happens on their second contract.
It's why weren't they good enough to come out as 21 and 22 year olds?
A 24-year-old dominating is not even close to a 20-year-old doing it. So draft accordingly.
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@AkoyeMedia @HP113k We’re in agreement on that then. I just don’t want Cowboys fans to get their hopes up that he can play as a traditional LB (especially in a 3-4).
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@Jackson37863605 @HP113k That’s what I’m looking for him to do, so idk where we’re missing each other then? Is he my full time ILB only time will tell, but how he was used in lsu 2023 was as a big nickel/OLB
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If we’re saying McCoy is still a top 10 talent because of his tape prior to injury then what should Perkins be by that same standard? Just asking for the Cardio
@HP113k is my favorite player for the Cowboys scheme in the draft!
Miss me with the injury talk too, because everyone is mock drafting McCoy top 10, based off pre-injury, a man who hasn’t stepped on a field since the injury, Perkins has recovered fully and gave you a full season of good tape after the injury! Plus ran a 4.38! So we’re wanting judging McCoy based off what he did pre injury let’s look at Perkins pre injury too! His tape 2023 vs any LB ain’t even close
Jackson Oliver@Jackson37863605
@AkoyeMedia 2024 and 2025 in the 16 games LSU played him as an inside LB. He actively hurt the team in that position in anything other than acting as a QB spy. I have no problem drafting him in the 4th as an edge but he’s a bad LB
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@AkoyeMedia @HP113k We agree on more than you think. I never said he doesn’t make plays (he does). I don’t think he’s been a good inside LB on the balance of his film, which BB agrees with. I’m cool with putting him at edge and only making him drop into coverage as a flat defender
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@Jackson37863605 @HP113k No I laid out the film you’re saying these are not him making plays, so we shouldn’t trust what we can see we should trust what PFF says, there’s no where to go with that. Plus BB agrees that he wasn’t used correctly as well
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@AkoyeMedia @HP113k I mean that’s not true we’re clearly discussing a disagreement on a player’s evaluation. Which is all in good fun (or should be). Cheers
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@Jackson37863605 @HP113k I’m not trying to convince you of anything
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@AkoyeMedia @HP113k I guess PFF, myself, every LSU fan (including Broaddus) and many others could be wrong about his LB play.
But that’s the draft. Hope he’s a stud if the Cowboys take him.
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@Jackson37863605 @HP113k PFF uses algorithms that’s your choice bro
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@w34ksizzle @Marcus_Mosher Is it an overthink to watch his 2024-2025 film and see a LB that is below average in run defense and terrible in coverage? The overthink is to think he can actually play LB.
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@Marcus_Mosher Are we over thinking Perkins though? Why can’t he add 20 lbs and stay at off ball. He’s already fast enough to where he won’t lose a ton of speed. Add him to some blitz stuff and see how he gets to the QB.
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I just don’t know where you play Harold Perkins in the NFL.
He’s obviously not an EDGE. But is he far enough along as a traditional LB?
I want to love him.
Crown Global Media@CrwnGlobalMedia
No question. Biggest misuse of a player that I’ve seen in a while.
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