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@victorullmannn Free to play is actually the absolute worst time to give the game a try. The server are still not up to par.

Go give it a try :)

@sbarky38 Sounds like a job for @pandramodo .

ok now when can I expect to get art of planegirls hugging??

@Breaking911 Average War Thunder RB match immediately after take off. Possibly premium players since it's F/A-18.

BREAKING: Two U.S. Navy jets collided mid-air and exploded during the Gunfighter Skies Air Show at Mountain Home Air Force Base.

@LaketowerWV @14p1z "Mutual" will be my bet.

@14p1z What does moot mean?

PLEASEEEEEEE be my moots on ff14 I AM SUPER DUPER NICE :3

@riellycooperr @Onepeg Know what? You got me there. I don't actually know when PvE got in initially. XD As for early access, the client says that it's in pre-alpha stage but you can just go to steam and buy it if you won't. There isn't any special way to access it.

@JakeNoNumberNow @Onepeg I'm pretty sure they had PVE at lunch also, it's an early access game ?

As much as I advocate for cut-throat games because I personally find them more entertaining, and although I disagree with the design decision, the reality is gainfully employed people losing their asses every night isn't fun and people want to feel meaningful progress.

@Phontomen B-b-but Horace. How can the poor snail get their shekels when people are having fun? Marketing broken vehicles is much easier than making a mode where practically every vehicle can find it's niche. *Cough* RB EC from about 6-7 years back. *Cough*

Wow it's almost like everyone wants to play a functioning game mode. WOAH!

@JackNapierNot Generally... There are no bad jobs. Just badly paid jobs.

Incentive breeds behavior. If people don't want to work your shitty job, it's probably because it doesn't pay enough.

That's not how your average PvE player usually sees the matter though. These people rarely search for uneven fights. I mostly see PvE players spend 90% of time gearing the best thing game allows and then spend 10% to blow their load in PvP. After which they either leave or repeat the cycle. As I said, I don't even think you are wrong necessarily. I just saw this play out before and it didn't went as you think it does. That's not say I can't be wrong. I just actually experienced such system, or at least very similar one.

@JakeNoNumberNow @JoeMondfrans @Onepeg People literally start today in PvE with gray and green items. Blue is a luxury. The game has level-based matchmaking to keep newer players away from players with higher level gear. One of the main points of the game is to start with lower gear & kill people with better gear.

Yeah but if you make progressing past blues impossible for PvE they while PvP players can get purples then that literally putting them in on a backfoot when finally getting to PvP. I don't think we need to discuss that it's fair for more risky mode (pvp) to carry better rewards. I think we will pretty much end up agreeing on that. But if one player has blue and other has purple then the blueberry is on backfoot.

@JakeNoNumberNow @JoeMondfrans @Onepeg It happens to make sense b/c blue items are in fact the best possible baseline the game makes available for most players. To unlock purple items, you have to basically finish the entire progression tree, which is quite an effort in season one. And then it costs a lot of money.

@therealrthorat @JoeMondfrans @Onepeg Mixing "best possible" and "baseline" in single sentence is quite the stylistic choice. That sounds like staring on backfoot to me. But I am not going to say that you are wrong. I saw it play out and fail in a different game but maybe Bungee could make it work somehow.

@JakeNoNumberNow @JoeMondfrans @Onepeg They wouldn't be on a back foot. The whole point would be that they could literally get the best possible baseline gear just by doing PvE. And again, there are surely many other options that Bungie is tossing around.

@therealrthorat @JoeMondfrans @Onepeg I dare say that wouldn't work. Dune: Awakening tried this system. You will not be able to convince enough casual players that they should start on a backfoot even with a safety net of PvE.

@JakeNoNumberNow @JoeMondfrans @Onepeg Probably many options. The easiest would be to put a ceiling on the loot you can get in PvE. Cap it at blue, for example. This would turn PvE into an alternative to rook runs for building your vault back up after losing a lot.

@Sam_The_Murph @Onepeg Lack of options. Shooter based MMOs that doesn't devolve into dumping mag after mag into some Man McGuy boss that somehow has 3 quadrillion HP doesn't exist. The gun customization is neat too and nowadays come packed in the Extraction shooter formula.

@Onepeg Why don’t people just play a different genre of game instead of trying to make a genre something it’s not

@riellycooperr @Onepeg Wanna guess when PvE got implemented?

@Onepeg I bet you more people play PVE in Gray zone warfare than PVP

@BallinBrecht @Onepeg Eh, it's a bit of both. Maybe not 50/50 split but it's definitely a bit of both.

@Onepeg It’s not about casuals dudes. This is in response to rampant cheating

@therealrthorat @JoeMondfrans @Onepeg "There is better way." I am GENUINELY curious what your idea is. Speaking as mostly from the PvE side.

@JoeMondfrans @Onepeg Tarkov implemented PvE in the worst possible way: by completely separating it from PvP, fragmenting the player bases into essentially two games. The obvious concern is loot transferring b/w the two, but there is a better way to implement it that addresses that concern.

PvE players are still customers whose money you can invest into developing the game for the PvP folks as well. Nothing stops PvP players from buying 3-4 copies and every offered battlepass to keep the games afloat financially once the playerbase purity spirals itself into triple digit player counts eventually though.

@VeryBadSCAVR You have low amount of players as live-service extraction shooter? Make PVE mode so you can attract for a while and be thrown away as every other PVE extraction shooter. This won’t help those games. Game will not be better if core is low quality

Every extraction shooter gonna have PVE soon 😳

@VeryBadSCAVR Honestly, struggling Extraction shooters make for best shooter-based MMOs. The netcode is usually excelent because it was build for PvP and the gun handling and customization are excellent. Best of all, no bullet sponges as a form of difficulty.

@BootsToTheMax @MarathonTheGame Okay but that is permanent PvE mode. Hell, I might I get the game as well if that was the case. Hopped on Gray zone when they dropped their PvE. I am just wondering what exactly are they testing because the playerbase PvE mode appeals to isn't currently present in the game.

@JakeNoNumberNow @MarathonTheGame I have at least one friend that would play the game if they added a permanent PvE mode due to them loving the gunplay and general feel of Destiny, but they don’t care for PvP. I think it could get some people into the game for sure. I want to believe.

@Lowblockify @Nymiixl I imagine that devs just want to sell more copies to keep the game afloat.

@Nymiixl Plus the theory that people who only play PvE games will eventually switch to PvP is just false. You could count on your hand how many people "get bored" of easy mode PvE and switch up to a difficult mode. These people are casuals by choice and will refuse to learn anything

I feared as much... "PVE-only mode that’s focused on crews being tasked with completing objectives together and making some progress across matches" I don't like this idea at all. I don't see the point of it.