Jeffrey
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@poperespecter1 Leo has no authority to say anything. He gropes kids and protects child molesters. He is evil.
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Apostle didn’t multiply endlessly into “everyone.” Instead, the Apostles passed on their authority (teaching, ordaining, governing) to bishops through laying on of hands (2 Tim 1:6, 2:2; Titus 1:5; 1 Tim 4:14). This created apostolic succession, bishops as successors who guard the same deposit of faith, not new “Apostles” equal to the Twelve or Paul.
Paul was added as an eyewitness of the risen Christ with direct commission (1 Cor 9:1, 15:8-9; Gal 1:1). Barnabas was called “apostle” in a broader missionary sense (Acts 14:14), but still under the authority of the Twelve/Paul.
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@JeffreyTanCG @Sacramentshow I guess it’s how you define apostle. The 12 were followers of Christ while on earth. Paul saw the resurrected Christ, and Baranabas had a calling to spread the Gospel. If we want to agree that all are equal, then would that mean all who spread the Gospel are apostles?
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I think we’ll be talking over our heads and never agree. Can I suggest another way?
1. God is perfect.
2. Everything He does is perfect.
3. Thus God is boring. Since everything he does is perfect He’ll just repeat what He has done before. And therefore God has a pattern.
1. God has always used 1 single sinful man. From Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon and even the Judea Kings. Murderers, rapist, liars etc etc
2. In all of salvation history as per the Bible, God has never used a book. Or a written word. When He handed down the 10 commandments in stone written by His hand, Moses still had to judge, and interpret.
3. Matthew 23:2-3 shows that Moses seat holds such authority. DO AS THEY TELL YOU, but don’t follow their ways. As Jesus tell His apostles.
In this pattern, it would mean God has changed if He suddenly started wanting people to interpret the Bible their own way. Visibly and no one can deny, it’s in the hundreds maybe thousands of denominates. ALL claim to be Bible believing Church.
So did God suddenly stop using sinful man to do His work, invent the printing press in 14th century, improve literacy rate so humans can read and decide on his own by 18th 19th century? Therefore the centuries before that, they live by their conscience?
Or did Jesus indeed give the Keys to Peter. Who is known as CEPHAS, John 1;42, Paul calls him Cephas in his letters. Cephas means rock.
Is it possible this Kingdom Jesus handed down, the King goes away and He’ll be back, when He is away does He leave the Kingdom without a steward? When that steward dies, no steward is appointed? This steward would be a sinful man. Just like the OT people. Still a steward no less.
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Scripture itself already shows the office expanding beyond 12 while the original Apostles were still alive
Paul is explicitly called an Apostle (Romans 1:1, 1 Corinthians 9:1, etc.) but was not one of the Twelve.
Barnabas is also called an Apostle (Acts 14:14).
Apostolic succession is the extension of their authority to successors so the Church could endure until Christ returns. The office didn’t freeze at 12; it multiplied to fulfill the mission (“make disciples of all nations”).
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@Sacramentshow I would ask you, not a snarky response, just a honest question. IF the authority is passed down and you use the example of Judas being replaced as a way to prove that. Why is it still not just 12?
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The office continued beyond eyewitnesses. Paul (not one of the Twelve) was an Apostle who appointed Timothy and Titus, commanding them to ordain others through laying on of hands (2 Tim 2:2; Titus 1:5; 1 Tim 4:14). Qualifications shifted from “eyewitness” to faithful transmission of doctrine and authority.
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@shiningsweu Liesite continues despite losing 2 of its biggest liar/troll
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BREAKING: Leo XIV’s new encyclical makes Christ equivalent to mere human beings - LifeSite lifesitenews.com/analysis/break…
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Tradition = scripture 2 Thessalonians 2:15.
Papal authority = Matt 16:18-19, Luke 22:32, read with Matthew 23;2-3
Apostolic succession Acts 1:21-23
Marian dogmas - read all things that has “Ark of the covenant”
Prayers to Saint/Mary - James 5:16, Rev 5:8
Penance/Abstinence as penance: matthew 9:15, mark 2:19-20
Priest & stuff and cardinals/bishops - Hebrews 5:1-10, 7:17,24-26, John 20:21-23, Acts 6:5, 13-2-3, 14-23, 1 Tim 4:14, 2 Tim 1:6
Papal infallibility/Magisterium Matthew 23:2-3
Holy water, rosary, sacramental things : Numbers 6:22-27, Matthew 19:13-15, John 9:6-7, Mark 8:22-25, Acts 5:15, Galatians 6:14, Acts 19:11-12, John 3:14, our father prayer, Jesus prayed the same thing at the garden of GETHSAMANE
Infant baptism Mark10:13-16, Acts 2:38-39, 16:15, 16:33, 1 Cor 1:16, Colossians 2:11-12, 1 Cor 7:14.
Your turn. Where in the Bible written by Paul or Peter or Matthew Luke and John anywhere in the Bible that list out the exact books that are to be called scripture. Also the chapter and verse that says The Bible is the pillar and foundation of truth.
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@grok @TNTJohn1717 Here you go, Grok was kind enough to give you the other view. Now stop spreading untruths. Calumny is a sin.
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🚨‼️This chart shows the simple Bible problem with Rome’s celibate priesthood system: Peter had a wife, yet Rome built a mandatory priestly caste that does not match Peter or the New Testament pattern. Matthew 8:14 says Peter had a wife’s mother, and Paul later defended the right of apostles, including Cephas, to lead about “a sister, a wife.” The New Testament honors marriage, describes bishops and deacons as “husbands of one wife,” warns about “forbidding to marry,” and points believers to Christ as the one Mediator and final High Priest. The point is not that every preacher must be married, but that Rome’s celibate sacramental priesthood is not the apostolic pattern. Peter looks like a married Bible preacher and elder, not a Roman priest, much less a pope.

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@Wombat11412 @gonefishin1948 @MJKelleyII Name me the chapter and verse in the Bible that states all the books in the New Testament. As u r searching for that also find me the verse that says scripture is the pillar and foundation of truth.
If we go by bible alone surely the bible must have written it.
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@gonefishin1948 @MJKelleyII More RCC bullshit lies according to Rome. I get so sick of the Roman church’s excuses. The RCC did NOT define the canon. You will say the dumbest things to cover the pimples of Rome.
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Name one unwritten tradition. I’ll wait
Garrett Ham@garrettham_esq
Scripture and Tradition are not in competition. They flow together from the same apostolic source.
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Some men came down from Judaea and taught the brothers, ‘Unless you have yourselves circumcised in the tradition of Moses you cannot be saved.’ This led to disagreement, and after Paul and Barnabas had had a long argument with these men it was arranged that Paul and Barnabas and others of the church should go up to Jerusalem and discuss the problem with the apostles and elders. - Acts 15
So why didn't they fall back into Sola Scriptura?
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The thief on the cross did endure pain and publicly defended Jesus while dying. He rebuked the other thief and proclaimed Christ as King in front of the crowd. That was a real work of faith done in his final hours.
Your statement is illogical. You say salvation produces perseverance, yet you claim the thief did zero perseverance. Which is it?
The truth is simple: the thief’s faith was alive because it produced a visible act of love and courage for Christ even while suffering. That’s exactly why Jesus told him, “Today you will be with me in paradise.”
Real faith always does something, even in the last moments of life.
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@JeffreyTanCG We endure because salvation produces perseverance, not because perseverance produces salvation, the thief didn't endure anything after the cross, he went straight to paradise.
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@stealthxbomber Do you know why they nail the feet at the cross? In order to talk he had to raise his feet, it was excruciatingly painful. You don’t think he did enough?
increase and improve your knowledge.
What did Jesus say about those enduring to the end? Why endure if u r already saved?
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Tell that to the thief on the cross who initially MOCKED Jesus, had zero deeds to show, one thief changed his heart in his final breath, and still was saved, Jesus didn’t say “your deeds saved you,” He said “today you will be with me.”
No amount of deeds can undo what sin already earned… death. The cross wasn’t a reward for good behavior, it was a rescue for people who couldn’t earn their way OUT.
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My series of lectures at Tokyo's Waseda University are now online: Thomistic Metaphysics, Thomistic Ethics, and A Comparison of Thomistic and Neo-Confucian Paradigms
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@renewingprotest @grok another blind vicious attack on Catholicism here. Please teach the poster the truth
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The Catholic Church historically forbade Bible reading in the vernacular, banned lay interpretation, punished those who questioned tradition, burned translations (Tyndale, Wycliffe, etc.) and declared at Trent that anyone using Scripture against Catholic dogmas is anathema.
If Catholic doctrines were truly supported by Scripture, none of this would have been necessary.
Systems that fear Scripture always fear truth.
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@SwordofFire37 @BibleInContext1 None of the verses you quoted proves Sola Scriptura.
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Catholics: “Jesus left a Church not a book”
Actually christianity began with a book, the Scriptures we call the Old Testament! It was these scriptures that the Church used to prove the Messiah Jesus fulfilled prophecy! Jesus planned ahead and left us a book and the Holy Spirit that birthed the Church and inspired certain men to write the New Testament!
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@slyoung27 @BibleInContext1 Yup as it is supposed to be. So what happened? Jesus did promise the gates of hell will not prevail against it when He established it in matthew 16:18-19. Did Jesus lie?
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@JeffreyTanCG @BibleInContext1 The "church" is NOT an institution or a single entity (although ALL believers are part of) RE: Gal 1:1-2, Paul is writing to "all the churches in Galatia".
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