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@PresGeorgie @8s8gtbTpjFLdnhY @ArmedJ0y もしかして｢フィクション｣って言葉の定義が日本語と英語で違うの？ この人に返信してる外国人みんな、ほんとに的外れなこと言ってるんだけど

@8s8gtbTpjFLdnhY @ArmedJ0y Do you think artists have no intention when they create the fiction? That they have nothing at all to say, and it is all empty entertainment? This is a very sad thing to believe.

It's weird and really funny because the subject of this debate, Japanese video games, are full of "corporations are evil" stories lol.

@TheRealKitty019 @SILVER_CAP ゲームを生き返らせたいなら許可を取ってからやる。 お互いが納得するのはこの道しかないんじゃないかな？

@SILVER_CAP I won’t say the perspective is wrong, but the conclusions I see from your guys’ side are quite fatalistic. It’s also just not how we do things here, I think there’s room for a middle ground that makes both sides happy.

In this while NieR Re:Incarnation EoS/Fan-server dialogue I'm starting to realize that something really important either isn't known to the JP side, or they don't understand it. Comments like "well if you wanted it to stay up you should have been spending money on it!" but, that's not why Square Enix ended the service. It wasn't unprofitable; the work is already done and they could have packaged a lightweight local server into the app and had it run offline. Or, just cease development and only maintain a small server for the remaining players for literally pennies (singular yen) a day. Operation costs wouldn't even be in the thousands of dollars and they could continue to draw mtx if they wanted. These games all run on an 80/20 model where most of the income comes from the small ratio of whales, while most players are F2P so it's unlikely they'd even see a real loss in revenue! End of Service happened because they wanted to funnel people into other games and because NieR wasn't profitable enough. Square keeps doing this with their live-service offerings, developing something and when it doesn't continuously print money forever, they abandon it. From a creative's perspective this is the sort of short-sightedness you see exclusively with accountants and, well, look at who staffs Square Enix's C-Suite. I understand from your perspective that it's Squeenix's choice to abandon a product and that it must then die, but from our perspective we've already paid into it in some way and just want to keep enjoying something. Nothing is being stolen- Square sent us the files for the game, we legally acquired them. They then chose to no longer maintain the servers. Spinning up our own, running proprietary code, is not against our laws and doesn't hurt your companies whatsoever. We do this for our own live service games, World of Warcraft for example, and you want to know how that impacted Blizzard? It didn't, it just told them there's a market for people wanting to play older versions of WoW, so they packaged and sold it to general acclaim. Western fans will gladly do the work of rebuilding and restoring stuff without companies needing to be involved or assist. We'll then provide this work, to them, for free. The entire modding culture around Bethesda games, I know Skyrim is/was popular in Japan, is centred around this and has been a continuous dialogue between developers and modders. There's a middle ground to be found here and yes it requires some give from both sides, but especially from the companies and super-fans. And to be clear, I write this as a writer, as a creator, as someone who tangibly loses if copyright gets conceptually abolished. But I also have a similar attitude to ZUN when it comes to any derivatives of my work. I think everyone needs to lower their hackles and stop slinging insults or labelling the other side as bad, stupid, slavish or evil because they have a different perspective. It's OK to disagree but try to understand first.

まぁ、俺は海賊版の問題点は行動ではなく態度の問題だと思ってるよ。 手に入れる術が無いから仕方なく海賊版に頼るのは理解できる。 ただそれをさも当然の権利のように堂々と公言するのは盗人猛々しい。また、公言してしまうから今回みたいな醜い言い争いになる。やるならコソコソやれ。忍者みたいにな。

@nationlessghoul @RepGesAuto_NieR 本当に気になったことを言っていいなら、 「自分の〜」のjibunnoがzibunnoになってて、 Zの発音に聞こえたかな でもまじ発音すごい！言い淀まなかったら完璧レベルだよ！これからも頑張ってください！ 私も学校の英語の授業を頑張ります！

ネイティブの日本語、主語どころかありとあらゆる文言を省略できるので本当に機械翻訳に向いていない。翻訳される可能性がある時は可能な限りガチガチの文章を作るべきだ。

@American_cracka @kamipapa2 監視国家？アメリカって自由の国じゃないの？

@kamipapa2 I would say born in would be the US just because us citizenship and a us passport are pretty valuable. The only real downside is healthcare costs and the surveillance state.

日本人でも外国の人でも構わないんだけどさ。 ちょっと聞きたいんだけど… 生まれる国を選べるのであれば、世界中の国のどこに産まれたい？ 私は一つしか選べないというなら迷わず日本かな。 色んな国に行ったけど、おおよその分野で高水準にまとまってるのがその理由。

@yaoibaiter 私もアメコミが好きだから、日本で同じことを思ってるよ！！🥲

after buying manga in japan you will never stop wanting to die every time you see the price of manga in the US

@Urist317427 @ehren_urzu @kokumots @kyuusyuha_001 うーん、笑 んな訳ねぇだろ、と言いたいけど、、 あなたと話す価値はなさそうだね！ 返信はいらないよ、バイバイ！

@KMR_miso @ehren_urzu @kokumots @kyuusyuha_001 The project and the private servers are made by western developers living in western countries. They are not bound to obey japanese laws on the matter, even if it relates to japanese product. Again, fuck off.

外国人の海賊版擁護を見て「ここまで遵法精神を持ち合わせていないのか」と驚愕してる

@Urist317427 @ehren_urzu @kokumots @kyuusyuha_001 この討論の発端は例のニーアのゲームなの知ってる？ あれがスクエアエニックスっていう日本の会社なのも知ってる？ 知らないなら口挟まないでね？

@KMR_miso @ehren_urzu @kokumots @kyuusyuha_001 You are the ones that came to our side of the pond to complain about a western project. Fuck off if you don't like it.

@xsnicchi @TeshimaKairei 小規模な開発者から始まって、人気になって成長して大企業になった場合は、どんな扱いになるんですか？

@KMR_miso @TeshimaKairei there has been history of bigger companies having exploited consumers and creators EA is a notorios example. There's more support for smaller indie companies since they have done more good than any big company. So you'll see less piracy or none at all for smaller indie devs.

Japanese and Western fan communities have developed under completely different, unique rules (or convenient interpretations). However, since these are fundamentally driven by our own desire to "enjoy the content" rather than protecting creators' profits or preserving culture, they aren't really noble enough to be called "ethics." Even with Japan's paid fan works, it is a fact that not all rights holders happily accept them; some simply turn a blind eye out of necessity. Just as you probably cannot truly accept the reasons why Japan tolerates paid fan works, Japanese people can never sympathize with or endorse the logic that "piracy is acceptable as long as it's non-profit," even if we can understand the theory behind it. Ultimately, these are somewhat selfish local rules that only apply within our respective communities. Bringing international copyright law into this won't solve anything. In a court of law, both of our justifications would simply be dismissed as "copyright infringement."

@xsnicchi @TeshimaKairei どうして海外では企業と消費者の信頼関係が成り立っていないんですか？ どんなに優秀なクリエイターがいても、企業がいなきゃそれを享受することはできないのに むしろあなた達は企業が消費者とクリエイターを搾取していると思っている人が多い気がする

@TeshimaKairei based on what I observed another factor to the difference between the disconnect is probably the trust between consumers and company. In Japan the company trusts the fans and vice versa but in overseas you don't really see that sort of thing for big companies. correct me if wrong

黄泉のツガイ 荒川弘先生の作品は無茶苦茶面白い。 #ヨミツガ

@mor_hork @a_hntr @Ultrakyriel @digging7 なんであなた達はそんなに企業への不信感があるんですか？ちょっと過剰じゃない？ 企業＝悪になるようななにかがあったの？ スクエニは日本でも比較的嫌われてる企業だけど、そもそもスクエニがいなきゃそのゲームも漫画も世に出ることはなかったんだよ、 どんなにクリエイターが優秀でもね

@KMR_miso @a_hntr @Ultrakyriel @digging7 I think you might have the misconception that western people don’t support creators in fact we often encourage supporting small creators but the distrustful attitude towards corporations creates a grey area because they are the ones who ultimately control the IP

一見すると全く理解出来ない価値観だけど、リプ欄引用欄を見るとなんとなく理解出来てきた。 つまり、企業が作家を搾取していると捉えているから、海賊版は企業にダメージが行く読者視聴者によるささやかな抵抗、という認識なんですね。 その手段は作家にダメージが行くという事を想定してない訳だ。

@ehren_urzu @kokumots @kyuusyuha_001 だって日本のクリエイターと日本の企業は、日本の考え方で成り立ってきたんだもの。 なんで急に海の向こう側からやってきて、私たちはこう考える！私たちのやることに文句を言うな！って言われなきゃならないの？ それを押し付けられたら当然拒絶反応は出るよね

@kokumots @kyuusyuha_001 But you, in general, are. Your culture is different, you approach toward corporate entities is different. This is to be expected, and is understood. What is not understood that you are incapable of even trying to understand other approaches. The hard deny to even try.

@mor_hork @a_hntr @Ultrakyriel @digging7 それで、日本の考え方も分かってくれた？ 日本の作品には日本の対応をしてくれる？ そっちはそっちで変わらなくていいからさ

@a_hntr @Ultrakyriel @digging7 Yes. I believe that supporting creators is good and we should do that and maybe to be honest supporting companys might make the world better for creators to live a better life but then it ceases to be solely the property of the creator if the company has the final say on it.

わいわいしてるのが見たい

ATC

ดีใจมาก ยมลฉายแล้ว 😻 (แต่ยังไม่ได้ดู)

@Vesuvio_Zen1209 @AdelabuMicheal1 @RadicalFalk なにそれ初めて聞いたんだけど笑笑

@AdelabuMicheal1 @RadicalFalk In the 1990s, trash cans were removed from Japan because they were used in terrorist attacks. However, this incident led to the Japanese custom of cleaning up after oneself. It is certainly inconvenient, but it's also important to have the mindset of not expecting convenience.

What 10 Years in Japan Does to You 😠🚮

もしもユルが封を手に入れたら、絶対にアサちゃんとおそろいの眼帯をして欲しいじゃん

@BenGrahamUK @TeslaModelDoge 私個人の意見ですけど、そう思います。 あと｢すみません｣と｢ありがとう｣だけでいいから日本語を覚えてきて欲しいかな 色々手伝った後に、｢ありがとう｣って拙い日本語で言われた時に、「ああ！！！この人を助けてよかった！日本を楽しんで帰ってね！！」って思ったから

@KMR_miso @TeslaModelDoge Is it more polite to just get the phone out and use translate rather than talk to someone who cannot understand? Curious as I want to be as respectful as possible when I visit

After all the replies, I feel like Japan would welcome me as long as I try my best to learn Japanese and properly respect the culture Is that true? 🇯🇵