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@SpiritOfStarr @_segfau1t_ @DaveHammon12948 @GrapheneOS @Diana_European They seem to also be super toxic: youtube.com/watch?v=4To-F6…

@KoolAid_Oh_Yeah @_segfau1t_ @DaveHammon12948 @GrapheneOS @Diana_European Exactly

Get that American software out of Europe.

@logidroidfx @JollaHQ Batch 1 sold out on December 8, so if you ordered in March that would be quite back in line. You're likely in the first regular production batch that started on March 2. You have to be patient and wait a little. I doubt customer service will be able to do anything about it.

@JollaHQ Hello I would like to understand just because I placed pre-order on March 4 so logically I am one of the first right ? If so, I haven't received a link and no return from my customer service email. 🤔

Brilliant news! We’ve set the course and left the dock, with the majority of Jolla Phone Batch #1 pre-orderers now paid and locked in for delivery starting July 8, 2026. Pre-order holders from Batch #2: your payment link is ready. Choose your colour, your preferred accessories and complete your order by April 30, to lock in your delivery. Check your email for your personal order link and please read the instructions carefully so you won’t forget to use your personal pre-order discount code. ⚡Remember, Day1 spots are limited — hurry up and claim yours before they're gone! Happy sailing! #Jolla #SailfishOS #DigitalSovereignty #PrivacyFirst #CommunityPowered #European

@SpiritOfStarr @_segfau1t_ @DaveHammon12948 @GrapheneOS @Diana_European Graphene is just modified Android so not even a real independent OS, not comparable to SailfishOS.

@_segfau1t_ @DaveHammon12948 @GrapheneOS @Diana_European i rooted for SailfishOS improvement, and GrapheneOS felt need to bring irrelevant points, i just don't like their hostile behaviour, like wdym you are in random thread talking why GrapheneOS is better, like i don't care op didn't mention security.

@SpiritOfStarr @Diana_European Graphene is just Android with some improvements, so not a real independent OS anyway.

@Diana_European SailfishOS is European mobile project, i am sure it will increase security more resources it gets.

@Ki_fun_thoughts @Nowooski The @JollaHQ phone will have swappable back covers that include data and power connectors. I hope someone will create one that adds Flipper Zero functionality. commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla…

@KoolAid_Oh_Yeah @Nowooski Indeed The flipper is a great little tool Should actually just be built into every phone as far as I'm concerned.

Did not expect Texas of all places to have European-style electrical rationing in hotel rooms. Also, a bit of a critical design oversight when the hotel chain aggressively pushes digital keys.

@peripatou @ml_tmp99641 @michaelstath @Apple @AdonisGeorgiadi There are two things that Graphene OS people like to do and it's to pretend they created an OS, not just an Android skin and to attack everyone around them. youtube.com/watch?v=4To-F6…

@ml_tmp99641 @michaelstath @Apple @AdonisGeorgiadi Didn't know there was a beeg between Jolla and Graphene, nevetherless I prefer having a european OS instead of an android fork

Dear @Apple, on a morning TV show today Greek Minister of Health @AdonisGeorgiadi claimed Apple has a contract with the US government mandating it to supply all iPhone users’ content to the government. This is truly concerning. Could you please comment?

@Ki_fun_thoughts @Nowooski I've been to a hotel lately that charged extra for a second room card. A Flipper Zero saved us from having to pay an extra $3 😆

@Nowooski What PISSES me off about these is (are): - Why not just let you use a card you already have, and KEY that to the @#$%ing door? - Allow people to have 2 keys, because... COUPLES! /rant

@SpacemanZients @de_brigantia @NoahKingJr Graphene is still Android so not really a different OS. Sailfish is a real Linux system. For most people who want to stay on Android but be more secure Graphene seems to be the better choice. For Android haters like me SaifishOS is the only alternative.

@ahybridplace @AndroidAuth Please look into who's spreading these negatives first, it's usually solely people connected to GrapheneOS spreading FUD about other projects.

@AndroidAuth Interesting phone but as Ib seeing negatives relating to SailfishOS, it will be a pass. It's a step in the right direction for user-control Android phones. I'll stay with my Skyline phone until something better comes around. (I'm not using Play services btw)

This Linux phone is ULTRA secure! 🔒 #smartphones #mwc2026

@SCShipyards If the US had the means to use some data to track an enemy vessel and deliberately ignored this information, it would not be chivalrous but unbelievably stupid. In war the last thing you want is a fair fight.

People really are fabricating nonsensical reasons to get upset about a military warship sinking a military warship of an enemy nation. Bizarro world.

@theFreshmaker99 @JollaHQ @GrapheneOS Graphene is just rebranded Android, so not even the same league.

@JollaHQ @GrapheneOS said most of the problem this phone has. Sadly it doesn't seem to solve the problem for privacy. Sailfish seems to be trash, sorry. x.com/GrapheneOS/sta…

Four days at MWC Barcelona. The show has exceeded all our expectations. Two weeks ago we were in hackdays. This week we showed devices at world premiere with new software arriving from our Tampere team every single morning, flashed fresh each day. The full story is in this fortnight's community newsletter. Worth a read. 👇 forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-com… Thank you to everyone who has been part of this. Keep sailing. ⛵ #Jolla #SailfishOS #MWC2026 #DigitalSovereignty #CommunityPowered #PrivacyFirst

@japtain__cack @PiereChangstein @AndroidAuth @GrapheneOS @grok It's Android with the spying bits removed (which is great and I don't dispute that), but it's still Android. Great for people who want to have a degoogled Andorid but clearly not something for me.

Lol, no it's not. @grok explain how GrapheneOS, while it does use ASOP, is not simply rebranded android. Highlight some of the prominent security and privacy features their devs have painstakingly implemented, how they've gutted the google nonsense, and locked down the OS. Also talk about memory tagging, application isolation, etc., which only exists on a handful of ASOP based OSs.

@japtain__cack @AndroidAuth I see Sailfish as "secure enough" for me and everyone I know and it's not just another rebranded Android. But if someone is happy with Android then indeed Graphene may be the better alternative, even if I watched enough Louis Rossmann to never want to use it myself 😄

I'm not dead set on avoiding ASOP to the point of using something less secure. I use GrapheneOS, and Sailfish is far from competing with GrapheneOS in terms of security/privacy. However, I love the idea, hopefully Sailfish will become more mature in the future. I would love a Linux based phone.

@henkkakoskinen @GrapheneOS @AndroidAuth Exactly, Grapehene is just a rebranded Android so not really comparable to Jolla.

@GrapheneOS @AndroidAuth Why are you crying under every post of Jolla? Let them do their product, focus on your own project. If I wanted a secure Android phone I'd buy this: bittium.com/defense-securi… But the interest in Jolla is about the platform, it's not just another Android fork.

@CynicFinn @iAnonymous3000 Maybe a skill issue? I have been using it (and it's successors) for years.

@iAnonymous3000 I had the og jolla phone. Fool me once etc. What a miserable couple of years trying to cope myself into thinking it wasnt shit and i wasnt basically trolling myself by attempting to use it as daily driver.

SailfishOS is NOT a serious mobile OS for privacy or security. The marketing says one thing. The architecture says another. SailfishOS markets itself as open and privacy-respecting but the components Jolla actually builds are largely closed source. Independent researchers cannot audit the most security-critical code in the system. Android has enforced SELinux in strict mode since Android 5.0 in 2014. SailfishOS relies on basic Linux file permissions and namespace-based isolation via Firejail. Until Sailfish OS 4.0.1 Koli in 2021, there was no application sandboxing framework; apps essentially ran under basic Unix permissions with no Sailjail‑style isolation. For nearly a decade, any native app could freely access your phonebook, SMS messages, and other apps' files. The current Sailjail implementation: a Firejail wrapper using Linux namespaces -- is weaker than Android's kernel-level SELinux-enforced process isolation or iOS's entitlement system. Jolla relies on old Android board support packages to run Sailfish on hardware like Sony Xperias - meaning the underlying Linux kernels are often ancient and missing years of upstream CVE patches. The attacker doesn't need to break a sandbox if the kernel itself is full of known vulnerabilities. Installing SailfishOS on Sony Xperia devices as the primary supported hardware requires permanently unlocking the bootloader. That means no verified boot chain. The attacker with brief physical access can flash a malicious image that persists across updates. SailfishOS uses standard LUKS-style disk encryption - so with an unlocked bootloader the attacker can extract the LUKS header and brute-force short PINs or passwords offline. Jolla has been working on migrating the Sailfish browser to Gecko ESR 91 - but ESR 91 itself has long since reached end of life, and current Firefox ESR versions are multiple generations newer. Mozilla's current ESR track is ESR 128. The Android runtime security patch level on official Sailfish devices has lagged Google's monthly patch cycle by months, and some older devices are even further behind. Running Android apps "without Google services" does NOT mean without telemetry. The AppSupport compatibility layer does NOT block app trackers. Advertising analytics, data collection, background connections all pass through unfiltered. And the layer itself is entirely closed source -- which means you cannot verify its isolation guarantees. The compatibility layer also has poor app compatibility in practice. Many Android apps don't work correctly without Google Play Services. Because SailfishOS is largely proprietary, no one else can fork it the way Russia did with Aurora OS. Russia got a state-owned fork. Then there's the ownership history. Rostelecom, partially owned by the Russian state acquired a 75% stake in Open Mobile Platform and Votron - entities that held the largest individual shareholding in Jolla through Sailfish Holding. From 2018 to 2023, Russian state-linked capital was the single largest influence in the corporate chain behind SailfishOS. Russia got Aurora OS through commercial licensing and state ownership of the entities behind Jolla. Because SailfishOS's critical components are proprietary - no one else has that path. After the invasion of Ukraine made this politically untenable - Jolla used a bankruptcy restructuring in 2023 to sever ties. Years of closed-source code developed under that ownership structure cannot be independently verified. "European values" is an interesting marketing angle given that history. "True sovereignty" and "European technology" also needs context. The Dimensity 7100 SoC is designed by MediaTek in Taiwan and fabricated in China. The silicon supply chain is identical to any mid-range Android phone. If you care about mobile privacy and security, @GrapheneOS on a Pixel is the verified, open source, properly patched standard.

@KanDeegan @GrapheneOS @AndroidAuth Graphene have been out on a FUD campaign for anything that's not Graphene so one has to take what they write with a pinch of salt. I see the Jolla Phone as "secure enough" for most applications (LUKS, sandboxing, can disable AAS) but "ultra secure" seems indeed to be nonsense.

@GrapheneOS @AndroidAuth Assuming @GrapheneOS's concerns are valid, why is Android Authority promoting the Jolla phone as "ULTRA secure"? Are they idiots or were they paid to say that?

@kaireizoku @wclifton968 @politilols @NXT4EU What's bad about it? Looks good (same design as their first phone), specs are okay (mid range), price is fair (for a small batch manufacturer). So the issue is that you don't like the looks of their web site?

@wclifton968 @politilols @NXT4EU Bro I’m all for an EU-Privacy focuses phone buy Jolla looks like dog shit atm… At least they could try to make a decent website to start with…

Nothing launches 4a pro 🇪🇺 - The first phone with 140x zoom - Glyph Matrix lights - 5080 MAH battery - 6,83 144hz 5000 nits screen - Metal Design - 6 year security updates - 3 beautiful colours. €499, flagship quality.

@Mawilette @wclifton968 @NXT4EU The current Jolla is *not* owned by russia. Previous company had some russian investors but that's not been the case for quite a while.

@wclifton968 @NXT4EU Jolla is literally owned and has worked with Russia in its early years so kind of ironic how your shitting on the nothing phone for being "Chinese slop" while Jolla is literally funned by Russia

@brian_the_lover I think you're kinda missing the point here. This Linux-based phone's main advantage is that it runs SailfishOS instead of Android, so if you want to run Android instead of Linux it's of course 100% obvious it's better to buy an Android phone regardless if it's cheaper or not. 😆

This Linux-based phone costs a hefty €649 and doesn't offer anything particularly special, so buying an Android phone would be a much better deal and save you money.

@pubity Who defines what is an important function? I always read them whining about climate controls, which I set to auto on day 1 and never touched again. It is a @Tesla, it knows when to defog the windscreen or turn on heated seats. Why should I pay for useless buttons?

China and Europe are introducing new regulations that will require cars to have physical buttons instead of just touchscreens. They believe car controls must be "blind-operable" for important functions and that touchscreens can be a safety risk on the road.