Brother Josh
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Brother Josh
@LDSPioneer
Longtime convert to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Autodidactic polymath. Homeschooler, mental health professional.
The road to New Jerusalem Katılım Eylül 2020
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@Grownded It’s a dumb marketing ploy, it creates a false illusion of scarcity. People do need to know that his books are full of porn, though.
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Stephen wants school kids reading his sex fantasies.
Stephen King@StephenKing
They banned DIFFERENT SEASONS in Utah. Contains STAND BY ME and THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION, stories of friendship and courage. Readable by teens, too. What's wrong with these people?
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I don’t think you really understand how AI works 😆 but sure, here are the highlights of the output (it’s way too long for one tweet, plus you can just ask it yourself).
What Grok likes:
The approach is empirical and quantitative in tracking criticism resolution over time, rather than anecdotal. By dividing into historical periods and updating Clark et al.’s 2005 baseline, it demonstrates measurable progress (e.g., from mostly unconfirmed in Joseph Smith’s era to majority confirmed/trending today). This mirrors approaches in biblical archaeology (e.g., Kenneth Kitchen’s work on absence of evidence vs. evidence of absence for certain biblical elements).
• It properly distinguishes “no longer an obvious anachronism” (compatibility) from “proven true.” Many items move from “impossible” (under 19th/early 20th-century knowledge) to “attested or plausible somewhere in ancient Americas in or near the right timeframe.”
• It highlights accelerating progress post-1960s, coinciding with the “Maya boom,” glyph decipherment, and modern remote sensing—precisely when more precise data should have exposed a modern hoax if one existed.
The issues Grok has with it:
1. Subjectivity and Lack of Transparency in Scoring the ~205 Items
2. Horses (and Similarly Elephants)
3. Overemphasis on Resolved Objections Without Balancing New or Persistent Challenges
4. Papers like those referenced (e.g., high probability of fit with Mesoamerica) come from LDS-affiliated scholarship (Interpreter Foundation)
5. Minor Framing Issues
Now, this research has been out for 7 years. Go find someone who has debunked it or write your own paper. I’ll be here 😁
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@LDSPioneer @JS9511606021086 Wait...you referenced Grok earlier, but now you're unwilling to take my dare? Are you afraid Grok will cause your precariously supported shelf to fall?
I'm not sure if/when I'll ever get around to finishing a rebuttal. It's a look of work.
In the meantime, take my dare.
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@DoBetter_ @JS9511606021086 Write your rebuttal then! Don’t bother having an AI do it, we’ll all run it through a checker. I don’t want to hear a clankers interpretation of a Reddit post from 12 years ago, send me your own words, research, and reasoning. I will read it and respond.
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@LDSPioneer @JS9511606021086 If you are sincere, I dare you to ask Grok to list out all the flaws and biases in Roper's work, and ask what items legitimate scholars would disagree on, and whether his conclusion makes sense.
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There was a degree of uncertainty about the date until 1956. "All the other common stuff" is regularly debunked by LDS scholars. In fact, they got bored with what you critics were "offering" and went out of their way to find MORE alleged anachronisms to debunk, just to dunk on you harder😂
Green = we have evidence of it, blue we found likely evidence supporting it, red we are still looking for evidence. That's with minimal archeology work here in the Western hemisphere. This is a long article, but give it a read if you're sincere. If you're not, you'll just ignore it and reply with some pithy comment.
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@LDSPioneer @JS9511606021086 So JS used a date that was common knowledge at his time, and since it turns out the common knowledge was right, that's somehow confirmation for the BoM?
How about all the other common stuff he put in that doesn't hold up?
I.e. anachronisms, deutero Isaiah, 19th cent type sermons
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Grok says scholars in the 1650s put Zedekiah's reign at around 597BC with moderate confidence and it was widely taught, but it wasn't until the publication of the Babylonian Chronicles in 1956 that we confirmed the capture of Jerusalem happened on March 16th 597 BC. To me that shows another confirmation of the Book of Mormons authenticity, the 1956 publication is yet another outside source that aligns with what the Book of Mormon teaches.
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I am suffering from degenerative bones in my neck. The pain down my arms is almost debilitating when I lay down. If I get up and walk around the pain reduces significantly. The problem is lack of sleep.
I had an injection in my neck that gave me relief for a total of 8 days. I am going to try PT in another week or so to try and strengthen my neck, instead of jumping right into surgery.
In the mean time I am doing online PT and it does not seem to help much yet.
What totally amazes me is that every other day, or so, when the pain is just no longer tolerable, I take a very tiny pink pill (oxycodone). In about 20 minutes the pain is completely gone. I fully understand why OXY can become addictive. It is the only thing that actually takes the pain away.
I have tried Celebrex, Gabapentin, Aleve, Tylenol, asprinin, excedrin, and no lyrica. None of them work at all. It is like taking sugar pills.
I hope the PT brings me relief. I would rather be addicted to OXY than living in pain.
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Not sure of the accuracy of the following, but it reads good:
The Tax Collector Brawl (August 1843)
Joseph Smith got into a heated argument with Walter Bagby, the Hancock County tax assessor and collector, over property taxes. Smith believed he had already paid the tax on a certain lot, while Bagby insisted he hadn't and threatened to seize the property.
When Bagby called Smith a liar, things got physical. Accounts state that Smith grabbed Bagby by the throat and struck him several times. Daniel H. Wells, a local Justice of the Peace (who was not a member of Smith's church at the time), stepped in to break up the fight.
Immediately after the scuffle, Smith essentially demanded to be penalized. He turned to Wells and insisted on being fined for the assault on the spot. Wells complied, assessed the fine, and Smith paid it right then and there. Because Smith brought the charge against himself and pleaded guilty, it stands as an official conviction.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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@jesse_k_fox Yes - I’ve used CPR as an analogy for this. It isn’t at all nice, it involves breaking ribs and lots of yelling for help. Yet it would be unkind to let someone die if I know CPR and could keep them alive while help is on the way.
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@CerebralCereal0 @orangesundeviI The “Jesus is enough” people usually just want to continue in their sins

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@orangesundeviI "Jesus is enough!" When did we say Jesus wasnt enough...? Jesus is central to everything we believe amd nothing would be possible without Him. I'm starting to think these people didnt pay attention in Sunday School!
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@Manhattva Our Prussian-model education system has conditioned the vast majority of the population to believe the “authority” at the front of the room. Journalists have hijacked that authority via a television that most people keep at the front of their living room. AI helps disrupt that 😁
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I am here to testify to hundreds of instances of men, women, and children being healed by the power of God, through the laying on of hands, and many I have seen raised from the gates of death, and brought back from the verge of eternity; and some whose spirits had actually left their bodies, returned again. I testify that I have seen the sick healed by the laying on of hands, according to the promise of the Savior - Brigham Young
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@danothemano77 @nicoraytruth @NilsBabcock73 Wow, what a stretch! Clearly needed for all the mental gymnastics required to reach that conclusion.
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@LDSPioneer @nicoraytruth @NilsBabcock73 I believe it’s because a lot of democrats support this idea and to tell member not too will violate the law to tell members how to vote or they lose their tax exempt status. NEED THAT MONEY!!
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Apparently, some members have forgotten their past.
What the leaders of the LDS actually said about communism, in their own words.
David O. McKay, April 1966 General Conference: "The position of this Church on the subject of communism has never changed. We consider it the greatest satanical threat to peace, prosperity, and the spread of God's work among men that exists on the face of the earth."
Ezra Taft Benson, October 1961 General Conference: "No true Latter-day Saint and no true American can be a socialist or a communist or support programs leading in that direction."
Ezra Taft Benson, October 1961: "We must ever keep in mind that collectivized socialism is part of the communist strategy. Communism is fundamentally socialism. We will never win our fight against communism by making concessions to socialism."
Ezra Taft Benson, October 1961: "The whole program of socialistic-communism is essentially a war against God and the plan of salvation, the very plan which we fought to uphold during 'the war in heaven.'"
Ezra Taft Benson, October 1979 General Conference:"It is a battle between two opposing systems: freedom and slavery, Christ and anti-Christ."
Ezra Taft Benson, October 1979: "Communism introduced into the world a substitute for true religion. It is a counterfeit of the gospel plan."
First Presidency statement, July 3, 1936 (Heber J. Grant, J. Reuben Clark, David O. McKay): "Since Communism, established, would destroy our American Constitutional government, to support Communism is treasonable to our free institutions, and no patriotic American citizen may become either a Communist or supporter of Communism."
Hugh B. Brown, April 1962 General Conference:
"Communism is of the devil. Communism started when the devil was cast out of heaven. It is well that all men know that the Church and the leaders of the Church stand squarely against communism."
J. Reuben Clark, September 21, 1946:
"Tyranny is always a wolf in sheep's clothing, and he always ends by devouring the whole flock, saving none."
Do I need to keep going?
Hollywood@prefertorope
@nicoraytruth Dude. Chill out. You can say that communism is not consistent with gospel principles and make an argument. Please don't throw stuff around like "evil" and "darkness." That is not gentleness, persuasion, or love unfeigned. Feel me? We need to disagree better.
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Why did God make the Israelites walk around Jericho for 7 days if He was just going to knock down the walls anyway? Everyone has their tests.
We will have a full understanding after this life, our brains are incapable of understanding everything in our current, infantile state. Give yourself and everyone else time to grow, these lessons often take a lifetime and more to understand.
Meanwhile, if it really bothers you - in faith, ask someone who was making those decisions at the time. Maybe start with someone who was in your stake presidency during Covid.
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@LDSPioneer @LukeFHan And keep talking about those terrible choices like forcing missionaries to get the Covid vax. But yeah, that’s faith. Understanding the leaders of any faith are far from perfect is necessary, understanding that some of those leaders are actually evil is reality.
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Daily Wire's Matt Fradd finally just spoke out on the Mormon controversy:
"I think they were wrong [to post my Joseph Smith article]. They also agree with me they were wrong to do that. It's one thing if I'm on my show ranting and raving about other religions, I disagree with... But it's another thing when they release an article [of it], it looks like they're giving the stamp of approval.
This is a company, like a lot of companies, where things go through the cracks. So whoever's in charge of their blog portion or article portion on Daily Wire, they're like yeah, just send us articles you want us to post. I'm like well, here, I wrote a monologue against Joseph Smith, and they're yeah, sure, we'll post that.
Daily Wire is a conservative company. They love Mormons. Mormons are part of that big conservative tent. That's just not my mission. My thing is I want you to be in the Catholic church."
Of his own anti-Mormon videos he said:
"But here's the thing. It all happened in one day. So I sit down with Joe Heschmeyer. We go after the Mormons. Cool. Then I sit down with Joe Heschmeyer again. We review videos from Mormons and respond to them. Cool. Then I do a monologue, where I write this article, and they turn it into a video essay. That all happened in one day. So it was all supposed to be one episode, but they decided because it would work better to release it as separate content. It gave the impression, I think, that I was coming after them specifically."
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