Miles
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Miles
@LatterDayJester
Certified Professional Pizza Chef. Utahn. Overzealous at times but sincere. Gamer. Dog Owner.
Utah, USA Katılım Haziran 2019
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@natemaklocklin Well, we follow a living prophet and revelation is received over time. It is widely understood that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is in reality the Kingdom of God on the Earth.
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@LatterDayJester That perspective is a new one. Early church leaders taught differently. The purpose of the Church is to build up the Kingdom of God—the question is whether that is synonymous with building up the CoJCoLDS internally, or whether that work is broader and includes more constituents.
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"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the kingdom of God on the earth, but it is at present limited to an ecclesiastical kingdom. During the Millennium, the kingdom of God will be both political and ecclesiastical."
- Guide to the Scriptures
"Call upon the Lord, that his kingdom may go forth upon the earth, that the inhabitants thereof may receive it, and be prepared for the days to come, in the which the Son of Man shall come down in heaven, clothed in the brightness of his glory, to meet the kingdom of God which is set up on the earth.
Wherefore, may the kingdom of God go forth, that the kingdom of heaven may come, that thou, O God, mayest be glorified in heaven so on earth, that thine enemies may be subdued; for thine is the honor, power and glory, forever and ever. Amen."
- D&C 65:5-6
Nate 🐝🌹🇮🇷🇨🇺🇵🇸@natemaklocklin
Equally hilarious and distressing that there are right-wing Mormons out there who are earnestly shocked to learn that Mormonism is incompatible with Christian Nationalism.
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@natemaklocklin It's a pretty standard teaching by this point that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Kingdom of God on the earth. To disagree with that is to disagree with the fundamental purpose of the church.
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@LatterDayJester It is fully within the rights of Latter-day Saints to disagree with correlated curriculum’s current articulations of particular subject matter. This is especially the case when church leaders previously expressed alternate views on a subject consistent w/ the Gospel and Scripture
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I'll be honest, I didn't know he was a member of the church at first. I can tell by his bio that he believes in many things that go contrary to the church, so maybe I'm not wrong in that assessment at least spiritually.
I was responding as if he were a Christian of another denomination who was telling us that we were not part of their club.
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@LatterDayJester @natemaklocklin It seems like you’re splitting hairs over the definition of Christian nationalism. I’d ask yourself if this line of discourse promotes the building of God’s kingdom (whatever that looks like) in ways our prophet has asked us to or if this is invites a spirit of contention
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@natemaklocklin And yet you don't believe what the church teaches?
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@LatterDayJester I’m literally an active Latter-day Saint, dude.
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Just because you haven't seen any doesn't mean they don't happen. There have been plenty documented in Church History.
Also, the translation of the Book of Mormon is proof that Joseph Smith was a prophet. When one reads it and asks the Lord with real intent to know if it's true, they can receive an answer from the Lord.
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@LatterDayJester @thesanityrevolt Where are the public miracles that confirm the new revelation promoted by Joseph smith and the authority of your church? No, the appearance of the angel to JS and friends is not what I mean by “public miracle”. Our Lord Jesus went around healing and he rose from the dead.
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Dear Mormons,
I’m not sorry. You know what you mean by “Divine” isn’t what everyone else means.
I know it. You know I know it.
This is called a lie by omission.
You’re all coping that I said a true thing. Every Christian (which you are not) can read your corruption of the Gospel of St. John.
You’re religion is a corruption. All of you lying by omission publicly and without missing a beat does not help you cause. It makes you look like dishonest snakes who want to deceive.
Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto,
Sicut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper, et in saecula saeculorum. Amen.
Sincerely,
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@LatterDayJester Not sure exactly how this is intended to contrast what I wrote, but personally I do not agree with this modern view that “the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Kingdom of God on the earth.”
I think the perspectives of early Mormon leaders were more accurate:

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@endofanepoch @thesanityrevolt You're saying that you're searching for signs?
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@LatterDayJester @thesanityrevolt I understand that your church teaches the Father Son and Holy Ghost to be one godhead united but distinct substances. Your church was not given authority to teach and bind these things nor were there accompanying miracles to testify to its authority. Where are the miracles?
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@endofanepoch @thesanityrevolt Oh, I know that we mean something different.
churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-…
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@LatterDayJester @thesanityrevolt Okay, so you do understand that you mean something different when you say “God” than when I say “God”. So stop playing these disingenuous word games so we can speak plainly.
What do you mean when you say I got my definition of God from a political council?
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@endofanepoch @thesanityrevolt "Words refer to real things." Yes. Which is why when I say that Christ is the 'Eternal God', I mean it.
Just because you decided to get your definition of "God" from a political council rather than revelation doesn't mean you get a monopoly on the word.
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@LatterDayJester @thesanityrevolt You keep doing it. Do you actually not understand? We mean different things when we say “God”. Words refer to real things they aren’t the things themselves. When you say “God” do you mean an eternal uncreated being who created all things out of nothing?
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@endofanepoch @thesanityrevolt We believe Jesus is God. It's literally on the title page of the Book of Mormon.

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@LatterDayJester @thesanityrevolt This is exactly what he’s talking about and this attitude is pervasive when discoursing with both regular LDS members and LDS apologists. It’s frustrating and discrediting. Just be honest about what you believe and how it is different from the historic christian faith.
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@stackerco Okay, Stacker. Your claim that the OT temple has nothing to do with today's temple is pretty laughable.
"Ha ha! the Church is ALWAYS talking about the temple. How STRANGE." If you don't care if the church talks about temples, why bring it up?
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@LatterDayJester First, my observation was funny because of timing, that it was once again about the temple.
And no, the OT temple has nothing to do with today’s temples.
And third, I don’t give a shit if the church talks about temples.
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@stackerco We do. We also make it a point to apply the scriptures to our day. Hence we talk about temples.
Why would anyone have a problem with this?
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Do you think that's all this is? They put up an article with debunked arguments as to why the prophet of the restoration was a false one.
This goes beyond "they're not of our same faith." I won't support an institution that publishes hit pieces against one of the main doctrines of my religion. If Matt wants to talk about Catholicism, great! But he doesn't constantly need to put down my faith to do so.
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So the Daily Wire, owned by a Jew, let a Catholic Matt Fradd have an article written based on his all access that was critical of Joseph Smith.
For those of you who are cancelling your subscription over this, you are not a thinking person.
The Jew already didn’t believe Jospeh Smith and the Catholic didn’t either.
Did you think their opinions stopped at politics?
Get thicker skin. None of those hosts hold to my belief system.
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@VVenerabilis Yeah, it blew my mind. I walked out and sat in the foyer for a little bit.
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We had an exmo in church today.
He got up to bear his testimony about how he left the church 7 years and did so very angrily. But its okay, because hes not angry anymore, and he has found God in another church. So parents with wayward kids, dont persure them too hard, dont push them too hard, they might find God somewhere else. He closed in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
And the whole ward said "amen".
I just can't
GIF
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There was a sister in my ward years ago who gave a talk about how she was part of the LGBT+ community. She said it was part of our Baptismal covenant to support them in their relationships and it helped her a lot when people treated her gay relationship as if it were a normal one. Also she encouraged us to show our support by wearing a pride flag pin.
I kept waiting for the Bishop to stop her or say something.
He never did.
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@LatterDayJester We really wouldn't want to be offensive. That's the worst thing of all.
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