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@Derailment101 @DaveKeating Sure but Russia is also drinking its own cool aid. They believe that if the US leaves Europe all European countries will be on their own and not have any military coordination. That is a very dangerous mistake to make

@DaveKeating Yes but what if the current U.S. administration is a Russian outpost? Destroying NATO would be beyond Moscow's wildest dreams... but with a puppet in DC they could destroy the U.S. and NATO in one go and leave Europe exposed to Russian 'aggression'.

FFS what European could possibly fall for this bluff? The US needs its military presence in Europe in order to project its power throughout the world. Without its bases in Germany the Iran War would have been impossible. They will never voluntarily withdraw. We should be so lucky.

@RealHellenist That's a take only someone who isn't European would have

Europe was illiterate until the Hellenes and Romans forged its literacy.

@MoffFrieren @eugyppius1 You are just lying, it has never been shut down by Iran. This is all a retarded lack of planning by the US. As usual and then they blame everyone else

@Legzinprado @eugyppius1 "usually" but they and their proxies have shut down the straits and other shipping lanes regularly. also, if a global war breaks out, iran can block oil for anyone but china, from the straits. you are genuinely stupid.

Now we're complaining about international law? These are some of the worst talking points I've ever seen. Who is coming up with this shit?

@MoffFrieren @eugyppius1 How is that a problem? They aren't in the business of shutting the straits down usually

@Legzinprado @eugyppius1 or we could remove the capacity for a terrorist regime to control the straits lol. unsure why you would want to leave them with that capacity if youre at all concerned about the flow of oil

@MoffFrieren @eugyppius1 Perhaps the US should just stop bombing Iran then. I'm sure the strait would be opened soon after

@eugyppius1 "for those countries that care about international law" hes calling out all the people that cited international law against the us, for instance, in the Maduro operation. you are genuinely insane lol

@bowtiedcrake All true

I got blackpilled on Russia. In 2023 I didn’t like UA because of association with libtards and I didn’t think their odds were good so why not sue for peace? It’s been three years now with UA becoming Europe’s premier fighting force, and all the historical nonsense doesn’t matter anymore. Ukraine is a real country, with the way it carried itself and fought like mad. Meanwhile RU just bleeding itself of a generation of men with lots of Soviet era madness (officers killing conscripts who desert impossible odds) and their military is a paper tiger. Spiritually third world. Russia is still more psychologically Soviet than Ortho. They can talk Based shit all day, I don’t care. They’re not the good guys. I don’t apologize to the libtards and boomers for being wrong - I continue to trust my instinct of distrusting them by default. I’ve simply evolved my views on Ukraine and Russia as nations and peoples. Multipolarity is a cringe meme. It’s just giving power to Salafists, Maoists and Soviets. It’s better to be pro-West and push back on the Zios

NATO has to go. Replaced by an EU army. It is the only reasonable course of action. NATO is a joke. Both Greece and Turkey are members, yet Turkey acts aggressively towards Greece. We cannot have that. A militarily strong EU is the way forward. For that to happen EU countries must first initiate a large-scale remigration process.

@ELNVdc @Microinteracti1 Yes,, the US should disarm

It costs the US $60B per year every year to keep 100,000 troops and their families a continent away from home. This includes salaries, war materiel, hospitals, schools, bowling alleys, food, movie theaters, transportation, churches, movement of personnel and their household goods, etc. All in $60B per year every year in 2025 constant dollars. We could do a lot of other things with that $60B, and we will.

If America Leaves NATO, the Bill Lands in Washington “NATO wasn’t there for us. We send billions of dollars to them every year to protect them. We would have always been there for them. But based on their actions, I guess we don’t have to be, do we? Why would we be there for them if they’re not there for us?” That argument sounds airtight. It also gets almost everything backwards. The Industrial Logic No One Wants to Say Out Loud. For decades, NATO membership has functioned as the world’s most effective arms sales platform. When a country joins the alliance, it buys American. F-35s, Patriot batteries, HIMARS, Javelins. It becomes structurally dependent on American spare parts, software updates, and maintenance contracts. It is the most sophisticated captive market in military history. Poland alone devotes 4.7 percent of its GDP to defense. These are not abstract trade figures. They are jobs in Fort Worth, Orlando, and East Hartford. They are the economic foundation of entire congressional districts. A US exit from NATO does not preserve this arrangement. It ends it. Canada and Portugal have already signaled reservations about F-35 commitments worth up to $19 billion, citing political unpredictability in Washington. When two countries walk away from an American platform, others begin running the same calculation. EU member states spent 343 billion euros on defense in 2024, a 19 percent rise from the year before. The political momentum behind “Buy European” is real and growing. The market will remain. NATO gives the United States something no defense budget line can purchase: forward positioning, intelligence integration, and political legitimacy across 30 countries. These are the operating system of American global influence.Without them, the United States becomes alone. The Indo-Pacific pivot is not wrong on its merits. But forward positioning in Europe is not a drain on Pacific readiness. It is the network that makes global power projection coherent. Cut one node and the whole system degrades. The Quiet Withdrawal Already Underway. A formal exit has not happened. But the functional retreat is well advanced. The Trump administration has told European allies the US will no longer serve as NATO’s primary conventional defense provider after 2027. Joint force commands are being transferred to European generals. Intelligence-sharing arrangements built over decades are being quietly renegotiated. Each move is individually defensible. Collectively, they produce the same outcome as a formal withdrawal, without the legal fight or the Senate vote. The irony is considerable. The administration that views NATO as a bad deal for America is dismantling the mechanism that made American arms exports dominant in global defense markets. The alliance was never just a security arrangement. It was the most durable commercial advantage in the history of the defense industry. So back to the question. Why would America be there for allies who aren’t there for America? Because “there for us” included $343 billion in European defense spending flowing toward American suppliers. It included 30 countries hosting American bases and intelligence networks. It included the political architecture that let Washington call itself the leader of the free world and have other governments agree. Not a subsidy to Europe. A return on investment that took 75 years to build. The bill for dismantling it will not arrive in Brussels. It will arrive in Fort Worth.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​ Stay connected, Follow Gandalv @Microinteracti1

In practical terms the US has already left NATO. There is serious doubt the US would come to the aid of their allies no matter what happens and that unravels the whole alliance. The nuclear umbrella will soon follow and that is the time window Europe has to develop the deterrant

@seatea1014847 @JohannaNyman5 And yet, when the US was attack all of us helped. So it's less about what you believe and more about what you don't know

@JohannaNyman5 If the US were attacked, none of you would have helped. Not ever. I am 100 percent against Trump and the Iran war, but a broken clock (digital) is right once a day. Europe is a net negative, we could have handled the pull back in a far better manner.

For a country that claims it doesn’t need allies, the U.S. sure complains a lot about NATO countries not joining its war of choice.

@Rail_splitter1 Lets be honest, what are US guarantees worth anyway? It is completely up to chance if the US would intervene anyway and the odds aren't in Ukraine's (or anyone else's) favour either unless their name starts with an I

“We just told Zelensky the guarantees won't kick in until he does what russia wants.” This is the Secretary of State of the United States telling the victim of aggression that it must do what the aggressor wants. Never forget. Vote them all out.

@pralayollas @EmFrancisNO @fbermingham @shashj Yeah, people forget this used to be true

@EmFrancisNO @fbermingham @shashj If the US asks any European spy agency for information, they will simply give it to them. There is no need for EU employees to do this theatre.

A little line in Politico that says a lot about how quickly the world has changed “Current advice from [European] Council is that no electronics are taken to the US or China,” said a senior EU official. “When this isn't possible, electronics that are brought back must be wiped”

@TheWorthyHouse @X1J1NGP1NG Well, there aren't any heritage Americans left now and we clearly see the results in the US

@X1J1NGP1NG There aren't going to be any Europeans in a hundred years.

I spent a week in Seville (not "Seveeeyah," BTW; we speak English here). Nice place. Interesting on a few levels: 1) Zero migrants. Well, a few illegally vending; one ran into me fleeing from the police. Either the migrants swamping Spain don't like Seville, or the populace makes clear they're not welcome. 2) Almost zero children. Not surprising, given Spain's birth rate. But also, when travelling with multiple children, reactions ranging from incomprehension to veiled hostility. A society organized around transitory pleasure-seeking; many tables of two or four aging women enjoying their empty lives, and going home to their cats. Sad to see. 3) Very safe feel (see #1). Almost as safe a feel as Budapest. I wasn't expecting this either, from what you hear about Spain. Unsure about Madrid, Barcelona, etc. 4) The takeaway, from #2, is that Spain is over. Sorry. Either they'll let in more and more migrants, swamping the White natives, or they will just die out. The future belongs to those who show up. I'm all for expelling all migrants, including in America, with minor exceptions. But even were that to be accomplished (and it's not going to be by voting), any culture that doesn't even replace itself is over, not just arithmetically, but because it is dead inside. It will never accomplish anything; they are mere Last Men. Some say that we'll fall to a new, lower, population equilibrium and rebuild. That's not how it works. Unless all the people at that equilibrium have a totally view of the world and man (most of all by totally rejecting any flavor of "feminism"), they'll keep falling to zero. And anyway, long before then more feral peoples will have exterminated them, after stealing what they have left. Total societal overhaul is the only possible way to the future of the Solar Imperium, or of any civilizational accomplishment at all. How, I have no idea. But I can assure you, in 100 years there will be no Seville, and no Spain, except in the same sense as there is a Göbekli Tepe.

@GMAHN8 @eugyppius1 That is beyond cope and I think you know it

@Legzinprado @eugyppius1 The empire has suffered from decades of mismanagement and the Eurocrats are part of that failed management. If we use Rome as a pattern the US is probably just entering the phase where it starts to have emperors as the legislative branch begins to be too dysfunctional to rule.

"when we had a need" Trump has been exceedingly clear that the last thing the US needed, was any kind of NATO assistance.

@SpencerHakimian Wow, what a clown show this has turned into

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@Suewilson91 So the Americans will do everything possible to keep you down. Got it

"Britain pursuing closer ties with the European Union will “not be viewed favourably” in the White House if it in any way affects the trading relationship between the UK and US, Washington’s ambassador to the UK has warned." Fine by me! cityam.com/us-ambassador-…

@Solonon76 @Dispropoganda Is this an Indian account?

@Dispropoganda debt is infinitely worse in europe, standard of living are worse in europe too unless you are a parasitic vermin, brussels is about to become the worst place on earth, the worst that will explode, education also infintely inferior Europeans are so fucking arrogant and branwashed

You see a lot of rhetoric online about how much NATO needs the US and how NATO and Europe will never survive if America decided to leave the alliance. Let's put things in perspective, shall we? US direct funding to NATO is around $800 million a year. A substantial sum of money but not one that couldn't be easily replaced by other NATO members which happen to be some of the richest countries on Earth. As to the military aspects, without the USA, NATO has 2,000,000 active-duty soldiers, 9,000+ military aircraft, over 1,700 military ships, 5 aircraft carriers and around 300 nuclear warheads. In conclusion, if Trump decides to make good on his constant threats and take the US out of NATO, this would hardly be the end of NATO, in fact it might be for the best, seeing how no one in NATO needs an unreliable ally which is compromised by both Russia and Israel.

@WeiherHenryk @Dispropoganda Europe doesn't need global reach right now. We are not going to fight a war in China or India

@Dispropoganda Readiness could rised quickly only by some countries. And European armies lacks the proper reach in scale to have global range. And very important factor is very small stocks of ammunition in Europe and very slow build up of production capacity.

@GMAHN8 @eugyppius1 It is and that is usually the first sign of the Empire falling

@eugyppius1 This is the empire and it’s vassals bickering.

@x26457474 @eugyppius1 Exactly, Americans should really thank the Europeans for this

@eugyppius1 It's much better yall aren't involved more than yall are it would make it intractable. It's very helpful that Europe hasn't gotten involved.