p.marsud 😇🚵☕

@BLUET0NES And them he spent 7 yeads with Callipso.

they day people realize odysseus was basically prostituting himself to circe for the good of his crew (or journey home if you dont believe he cared abt his men) is the day i know peace

@fadafredo @heis_fede To know who is erd place. Isn't it obvious?

@heis_fede Deep down, you know it was a complete mess but because Mbappe found the net, you're content to brush aside Messi's claim. That said, what's the actual point of the third place match, if you don't mind me asking?

Best game at the World Cup so far. No referees controversies, no robberies. Just pure football and goals galore

@TheLaikYobaz Ich glaube nicht, dass das nur 17 Minuten dauern wird. Never ever

FIFA, Dünya Kupası Finalinin devre arasının 30 dakika olmayacağını açıkladı. Devre toplam 17 dakika olacak. 11 dakika müzikal performans olacak. 6 dakika sahnenin kurulumu ve çimlerin ıslatılması yapılacak. Futbol maçında konser mi olur? Tarihin en kötü turnuvası...

@NolanAnalyst There is no 17th month in a year. And no Batman in Greek Mythology.

Reminder that The Odyssey and all the classics of Greek mythology are in the public domain. So if The Odyssey is a huge box office success, every studio will rush to adapt other stories from Greek mythology. Everyone should be grateful to Christopher Nolan.

@dwarfclub @SpencerKlavan Nicht immer von sich auf andere schließen.

@SpencerKlavan I don’t think you are being charitable - I think Nolan is correct here. The story and joke make sense in Greek and the pun is funny but the story is also credible. In English, you need a footnote because otherwise Polyphemus just seems like a moron for falling for the trick.

Being *extremely* charitable to Nolan, you could wonder if he means that the “nobody” gambit doesn’t hold up *as a pun in English* because “nobody” only sounds like “Odysseus” in Greek. That said, a genuine shortcoming of the movie is its use of language. That’s the only online pre-criticism of it that I thought really held up, as I wrote in @PostOpinions (link below). To recap: Odysseus tells the Cyclops his name is “nobody” so that when he wrecks the bastard and all his little cyclops friends come running, he says “nobody is attacking me!” And they’re like oh well guess that’s fine. That part of the trick makes perfect sense in English and could totally have been in the movie. But there’s another layer in the Greek: “nobody” in Greek is “oudeis.” So then at the critical moment when Odysseus lets his exuberance get away with him he says basically “I’m not oudeis! I’m Odysseus!” And we all go ha ha! I understand Greek! In seriousness, there is an *extraordinarily* subtle and beautiful dance Homer’s doing throughout with Odysseus’s name. As I wrote in @WSJ @WSJFreeEx (link also below), Homer opens the poem with “tell me muse of a man” and then takes twenty one lines before he names the man. He relates the name not only to “nobody” but even more directly to “hate” (odussomai)—the wrath of the gods that causes Odysseus’s sorrow. A name in a myth is of course more than just a series of syllables. It’s a powerful emblem of identity. So who is this man of whom Homer sings? What kind of identity, what kind of name can he reclaim for himself under the wreckage of his god-inflicted suffering? Or will he be obliterated by it, forced to trick and deceive his way to survival until, even if he does make it home, he finds he has lost himself entirely and become oudeis—nobody? The poem is about not just physical homecoming but about remembering who you are through storytelling. Homer gets all this and more into his play with names. I will concede that Nolan probably couldn’t have gotten all *that* into his movie. But the nobody joke with the cyclops woulda played fine, lol.

@OtsegoCommish @JimElliott95607 @ArmandDAngour @SpencerKlavan Both starred Kirk Douglas. 😊

@JimElliott95607 @ArmandDAngour @SpencerKlavan Funny that because of 20K Leagues people think that ‘Nemo’ has an inherent aquatic quality rather than being a throwback to the Odyssey.

@ArmandDAngour @SpencerKlavan And name a SciFi series Dr. Who wirh a protagonist who really does not have a name except The Doctor. And who changes face (and gender) on a regular basis. Would never work. Especially not for decades. Never ever.

@SpencerKlavan The play on words couldn't work on screen. Imagine, say, a bank heist movie in which robber tells Manager 'My name is Nobody" and Manager tells the cops "Nobody did it" - so they pack up and leave. It would lack all realism, and be quite excruciating. Ditto in this scenario.

@jonedwardcroft @SpencerKlavan You mean with the greeks using wiking ships?

@SpencerKlavan What's more important and powerful in film is the visual & simbolic languages that directors must utilize which you're not looking into.

@emkenobi Achill dies not at the sacking of Troy. He dies by the hand of Paris, after A killed Hektor in battle.

No Elliot Page’s character is not a proxy for Achilles. No he was not originally meant to play Achilles. No his character name wasn’t changed after backlash. As someone who actually saw the movie and isn’t trying to spread misinformation, let me explain. SPOILERS BELOW! Sinon has a strong connection to Pattinson’s character, Antinous. He is chosen to join Odysseus’s army and Antinous tries to take his place but is stopped. This is what allows him to stay in Ithaca to eventually become one of the suitors trying to convince Penelope to move on from Odysseus. Without Sinon, Antinous is unable to be the villain in the story. It makes zero sense to claim he was originally meant to be Achilles. Also Sinon is killed by Trojan soldiers while presenting the gift of the Trojan Horse. He never even makes it to the sacking of Troy which is where Achilles dies. If he was actually meant to be Achilles then he wouldn’t have died that way lol. As for Odysseus speaking to him in the underworld, Sinon approaches him because Odysseus did not tell him the plan with the Trojan horse. Sinon actually thought it was a gift and did not know Odysseus and his men were inside. Sinon is angry because he was lied to and feels like he died for a man who did not trust him. He also asks for vengeance against Antinous who abandoned Sinon’s father resulting in him dying. This is completely different from the conversation Achilles has with Odysseus and Achilles DID know about the plan with the Trojan horse because he’s literally one of the soldiers inside lol. Again, the complete opposite of Sinon. If he truly was meant to be Achilles or an Achilles-adjacent character, then all of this would have to be changed. Achilles and Antinous had no relation to one another and Achilles does not join the war via a draft like Sinon does in the movie. There were no reshoots for The Odyssey and filming had already wrapped when the rumor was spread about Elliot playing Achilles. The internet backlash did not make Nolan change anything. The story relies on Sinon’s existence because he is what allows Antinous to try to take Odysseus’ place. Achilles doesn’t do any of that in Homer’s story. If Nolan did change Elliot’s character then he quite literally would’ve had to redo half the damn movie because Pattinson’s character would have to completely change. Odysseus’s reveal at the end and interaction with Antinous would also not exist if Sinon wasn’t in the movie. Antinous’ death would have to change as well. It makes zero sense to claim Sinon was originally Achilles. The beginning of the movie would be entirely different lol. Anyone claiming Sinon is a proxy for Achilles is lying. They cannot admit they were wrong about Elliot’s casting so now they are trying to claim that he was originally meant to play Achilles which isn’t true. When you watch the movie it is very clear Sinon is his own character and has zero correlation with Achilles. @ThatChrisGore and all the other idiots claiming this bs are full of shit. Do not fall for it.

@kasondramoore @TheBuschaloman It has been done before. In 1954 by Kirk Douglas. So it can be done. 🤷

How would you depict this in a film? Reading poetry in translation with notes and parenthetical explanations is not the same as having to show everything in a film. So much nuance, especially from page to screen in another language, will inevitably be lost in translation, especially any play on words.

He is actually so clueless about the source material that he kept the name of the cyclops ( Polyphemus ) as it is without realizing that the translation of his name IS THE FREAKING OPPOSITE OF "NOBODY"!!!! 90% OF THE NAMES IN THE ODYSSEY MEANT SOMETHING!!!

@Tik_Shower Ich wäre, hätte ich K1 zu Hause bekommen verblutet. Die halbe Plazenta 8st drin geblieben. Hatte nichts mit mindset oder Einstellung zu tun. 🤷

Der Not-Kaiserschnitt nach 12 Stunden Wehen lacht hysterisch …

@BabaBartunek Fahren un HdR Wikingerschiffe rum? 🤦 Eben.

@MarsudP krass. Es ist btw kein Historienfilm sondern ein Fantasy-Film. "Die Odysse" ist nichts anderes als "Herr der Ringe". Es ist eine Fantasiegeschichte.

der Typ ist tatsächlich stolz darauf, dem Film die mieseste Bewertunge gegeben zu haben. Ein schlichter Barbar der vorgibt Schöngeist zu sein.

@ArneHasse @raidick63 Warum war er dann die ganze Zeit gegen Leihmutterschaft? Zumindest konsequent ist das nicht

@raidick63 Es würde auch bei keinem anderen ein Problem machen. Das Vorgehen ist halt nicht illegal.

Ein hochrangiger Politiker kauft sich ein Kind auf eine Weise, die in Deutschland illegal ist. Das schwule Paar hat ein Alter, das jenseits der üblichen Adoptionsgrenze liegt. Das Jugendamt wird da trotzdem keinen Ärger machen. Willkommen im #Neofeudalismus

@AnueMokita @AtticusJazz Wikingerschiffe... 🤦

@AtticusJazz The Odyssey wird auf allen Filmbewertungsportalen von Griechen in Grund und Boden bewertet werden, egal ob der Film gut oder schlecht ist. Nolan hat sich ein ganzes Land zum Feind gemacht.

Obwohl woke "The Odyssey" von Christopher Nolan erst in einem resp. zwei Tagen anläuft, kann man dem Film auf imdb bereits heute die schlechtest mögliche Note geben, ohne den Streifen gesehen zu haben. Woke "Snow White" von Disney hat sich übrigens mittlerweile etwas erholt und wird auf imdb mit 2.2 bewertet.

@dorfkindmama Aber hatte München vorher nicht nen SPD Bürgermeister? Irgendwie man das die Argumentation der CSU noch dämlicher.

München geht das Wasser aus. Grüner OB verfügt Sparmaßnahmen. Konservative so:"Geliefert wie gewählt,CSU hätte niemals Wasser rationiert" Und das glaub ich sogar. Denen sind unsere Ressourcen völlig egal.Wenn dann Luft aus der Leitung kommt heißt es "das konnte ja niemand ahnen"

@ellamuempert @gibtsjoned01 Und mit welchen Brennstäben hätten die betrieben werden sollen?

@gibtsjoned01 Die Grünen waren immer der größte Treiber und Habeck hat 2023 noch die letzten 3 AKWs abgeschaltet.

Durch die Abschaltung der AKWs haben wir nach einer Studie der Uni Stuttgart „15 Millionen Tonnen mehr CO2 jährlich“ - so viel zur Klimapartei Die Grünen.

@noahthewise @AceOfSpades_04 No, here in Germany I have never seen them.

@AceOfSpades_04 all staff at the school i worked at in norway wore them too, they’re not universal ??

As a European i have to wonder: do all teachers have to wear those lanyards in America?? Because that's NOT a thing where I'm from 😭🤚

@WhiteJesusLive @_InfoGram_ @EileenQuirke4 No

@_InfoGram_ @EileenQuirke4 Total fake guy. Isn’t he under serious investigation for corruption?

This is MASSIVE 🔥 🇪🇸 Spain, under Pedro Sánchez, declares that it is voting for a full ban on trade with Israel 🔥 🇫🇷 France voted for it 🇮🇪 Ireland voted for it 🇧🇪Belgium voted for it 🇳🇱 Netherlands voted for it These countries got their spine thanks to Spain’s leader, Pedro Sánchez. 95 % People globally rate Pedro Sánchez a courageous leader 🔥🫡

@Evertonian @_InfoGram_ Trump has already disrupted trade between the EU and the US. Remenber tarifs?

@_InfoGram_ Ah, but is it? The US is merging their military with Israel. Anything they want, the US will get it for them and Europe won't disrupt trade with the US. That's probably why France signed. The others are probably sincere but as I said, the US will circumvent this decree.