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@TimTrippDesign @SirMasksALot @thereal_truther @DawnsMission If only Joe's recollection aligned with the timeline of his own life 😆

I've said before I can't speak for someone else's life experience. But what Joe said aligns with my recollection from growing up in NZ in the 60s/70s, which isn't demonstrably false. Pre-vaccine measles really was something most kids got, and the cultural view was casual for the majority who recovered fine after a week or two off school

People get the measles vaccine and shed the virus for up to 29 days literally causing measles! Joe Rogan nailed it: "Measles was what everyone got when I was a kid. You'd get sick for a few days, then immune for life." They're making it sound deadly.

@TimTrippDesign @SirMasksALot @thereal_truther @DawnsMission See also - x.com/i/grok/share/b…

@MedRest1 @SirMasksALot @thereal_truther @DawnsMission I was a teen in the 70s, and I read the letters to the editor. Politics was often discussed at school (We had Muldoon and "A week of it"). I don't see why this is such a concern

@TimTrippDesign @SirMasksALot @thereal_truther @DawnsMission Agreed the history has not changed, but people's framing of it is hazy - Rogan was not even 18 months old when the Brady Bunch episode aired. He's remembering the 1970s not the 1960s. He was 13 in 1980 with 95% vax rates, so everyone was not getting measles around him then.

@MedRest1 @SirMasksALot @thereal_truther @DawnsMission In the 60s/70s measles was widely seen as a routine childhood thing. There's plenty on 'safetyism' and declining risk tolerance showing society has become much more risk-averse since vaccines eliminated the everyday threat. It's the culture that changed, not the history.

@TimTrippDesign @SirMasksALot @thereal_truther @DawnsMission Then your profile pic is either very flattering or you were an unusual child/teenager cos you don't look like someone who was an adult in the 1970's who might have read about an episode of the Brady Bunch who's first broadcast date in NZ we don't know.

@MedRest1 @SirMasksALot @thereal_truther @DawnsMission Yes I was a frequent reader of the letters to the editor

@TimTrippDesign @SirMasksALot @thereal_truther @DawnsMission It was also an age when children & teenagers would not usually have been party to such conversations. All this is what I mean by rewriting history. Rogan, etc, seem desperate to make their current beliefs fit the past.

@TimTrippDesign @SirMasksALot @thereal_truther @DawnsMission I know when it aired in the US. But it 1st aired in the UK in 1975 & NZ TV at the time was generally a bit behind them, we only got 2 channels in 1975! & where would this backlash have been? In the Letters to the Editor of the local paper? Were you a frequent reader of them then?

@TimTrippDesign @SirMasksALot @thereal_truther @DawnsMission Given that episode didn't air in the UK until 1975 (no date available for NZ that Grok could find), I'm guessing it aired after that in NZ. So no, there wouldn't have been a backlash here in the 1960s cos we hadn't seen the episode yet.

I can’t speak for anyone else’s lived experience but his cultural perspective of the time is largely accurate, and it’s what I remember. I don’t recall the recent backlash against the Brady Bunch episode “Is there a Doctor in the House” occurring when I was a kid. Suggesting it is culture that has changed, not history being rewritten

@TimTrippDesign @SirMasksALot @thereal_truther @DawnsMission Joe Rogan was born in 1967. He grew up with vax rates of 60-70%, reaching 95% by the time he turned 13. He's very unlikely to have the memories he's claiming. So yes, he is rewriting history, as are you if you think he grew up in the 1960s & remembers much from when he was 2 1/2.

@MedRest1 @SirMasksALot @thereal_truther @DawnsMission The false claim was shedding the virus from the vaccine. Joe's lived experience is just that, his lived experience, and it's life as how I remember the 60s - I'm not the one rewriting history

@TimTrippDesign @SirMasksALot @thereal_truther @DawnsMission You're replying in the context of a false claim by Rogan & in the OP, about the severity & lived experience of measles, & asking why people keep pointing that out? Like I dunno, maybe cos people keep trying to rewrite history?

@MedRest1 @SirMasksALot @thereal_truther @DawnsMission Truther clarified his comment. I'm just replying to others commenting on mine.

@TimTrippDesign @SirMasksALot @thereal_truther @DawnsMission You seem to be ignoring the OP that started this convo 🤦‍♂️

@SirMasksALot @thereal_truther @DawnsMission This is true, and something I assume most people know. I’m not sure why it needs to be the tagline every time someone mentions pre-vaccine measles in the 60s, especially when we're talking about the cultural context of growing up back then.

@BarryESharp @dieworkwear Because then no one would read his posts because they'd be dull as dishwater - like yours.

@dieworkwear Why don’t you try that approach first yourself, Derek, and see what type of response you actually get from an AI? I would love to see the result. Then why don’t you search for my consistent and coherent core views that run throughout my posts over several years?

why aren't other countries helping us with the strait of hormuz after we started an unjust war, cut off trade, and insulted our allies for a year?

@TimTrippDesign @BobbyMiller202 @carlton_duston Then go chat to Bob. I only commented to give an example of some of the crank theories groups like NZDSOS put out and that Peters is courting those groups.

That wasn't the question I was asking. I'm asking how you think your opinion, that the whole concept of 'closure' is BS and childish, would be perceived by people who have sought, and in many cases received, sufficient acknowledgement, compensation, and an apology for harm caused by institutional actions. I was trying to establish if your opinion is selective, or if you genuinely believe the people seeking closure for these previous examples should have just moved on I believe the terms of the COVID Royal Commission didn't allow it to recommend apologies, redress or compensation for past harms, that was outside its scope. If they did that the first time, or 2nd, a 3rd wouldn’t be pursued (Note: I am referencing the commission here because it is relevant to the points (BS, Childish and hoping three times a charm) you raised. But really I'm much more interested in Bob's feedback, as that was who I originally replied to.

NZ First calling for a 3rd covid inquiry is a renewed pitch to the conspiracy/antivax minority of the population for a few thousand votes. Last time they had Tanya Unkovich as their conduit to this segment of NZ but she's now run off to join the Christofascist podcast circuit.

@TimTrippDesign @BobbyMiller202 @carlton_duston I didn't bring up the commission - you did 🤦‍♂️ I dunno, did those events have 2 separate Royal Commissions & when they didn't get the results they wanted did they call for yet another inquiry hoping three times a charm?

Just  thought, since you brought it up. How do you think your opinion would be perceived by those who have sought, and in many cases received, sufficient acknowledgement, compensation... and an apology for harm caused by institutional actions? Examples like Erebus, abuse in care, the Cartwright Inquiry, or colonial injustices come to mind.

@TimTrippDesign @BobbyMiller202 @carlton_duston I think the whole concept of "closure" is BS. There isn't some magic thing the govt can say or do to make it all better for anyone. It seems childish to think there is. That's just my opinion 🤷‍♂️ This isn't about the commission? What were the submissions too then?

@MedRest1 @BobbyMiller202 @carlton_duston My previous comment wasn’t about the commission… it was addressing Bob's post In light of quite a few historical examples is your opinion that 'closure' is BS, 'all closure' or is it selective?

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@MedRest1 @Kusal_CFP @DebMccarty12 @mr_mayank What does the word likely mean?

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@TimTrippDesign @BobbyMiller202 @carlton_duston You brought up the submission to the commission - that's not something I was commenting on. I do think the concept of "closure" is BS. In addition, I don't think its something NZDSOS etc want, they live on the grievance continuing. Most govts in power during covid were rejected.

You essentially tried to argue that closure from public health policy consequences is a myth, which is why some form of external acknowledgment or resolution is actually important for those disproportionately harmed The example you gave wasn't used as evidence in submissions from VFF, NZDSOS, or Health Forum NZ, and it came from expert opinion, just as academics cited expert sources on droplet transmission. Neither defines the whole position Of course Winston is an opportunist, every politician is chasing that 5%. But if you believe he is not genuinely advocating for people harmed by policy, show that he does not currently believe there are genuinely harmed people who deserve resolution. If you think he is appealing to cranks, can you break down the demographics of who is actually seeking closure? How do you identify cranks from people wanting legitimate resolution, and how do the two differ? What is your definition of 'cranks'? VFF's public positions are available online, how much of that is valid criticism (sourced from expert opinion/research), and how much isn’t? Global evidence is largely irrelevant. NZ was unique in effectively quarantining COVID until most vulnerable people were vaccinated. A smoother transition in 2021–2022, with equal weighting of all harms, clearer communication, and greater humility, could have made a huge difference in reducing collateral costs and preserving Labours polling. Does Bob have any thoughts on this?

@TimTrippDesign @BobbyMiller202 @carlton_duston No, I'm agreeing with Bob that Peters is appealing to cranks & provided an example. Peters motive is always the same-get 5% from anywhere he can so he can get back into govt. The global evidence suggests Adern would have struggled to retain power regardless of what they did.

You seem to be using Peters' motivations to justify that those genuinely harmed by policy should just move on. Bob attributes the call for a new inquiry to bad motives, an appeal to the conspiracy/anti-vax minority, without showing his workings. Does that include people who were actually harmed, and if not, how does he (or you) differentiate the two? Bob's input would be more enlightening on this, as it’s his post. Yes, I've said before that 2020 was largely successful… It is 2021 when the plot was lost, and I've even speculated Jacinda would have won the 2023 election if it wasn't

@dave20741697121 @Kusal_CFP @DebMccarty12 @mr_mayank Ffs, the US is "likely responsible" by their own admission 🤦‍♂️

@Kusal_CFP @DebMccarty12 @mr_mayank Suck my fat white dick.

@TimTrippDesign @BobbyMiller202 @carlton_duston This thread was about Peters appealing to cranks, and NZDSOS , RCR etc being cranks, that's my interest. Great to see you finally acknowledging the govt approach saved lives tho - that's progess at least.

This framing essentially asks people who were disproportionately harmed by policy decisions to simply 'move on’. If, in a future pandemic, the government chose different priorities that resulted in higher direct virus deaths but fewer collateral harms from restrictions, would the same principle apply, telling the families of those who died to move on because the overall outcome was acceptable on other metrics? Can you explain why there seems to be so much asymmetry in how we discuss COVID-related harms and trade-offs?