Metadi
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Maybe the reason there are so many different Christian denominations is that every denomination really does get something right that others are missing. Except the Lutherans, we could probably do without them and be fine.
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@FinnishZoomer I'm not going to take sedevacantists seriously unless they make Fr. Vili Lehotoranta the new pope.
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He died peacefully in his sleep at 96 btw
T-90M obr. 2024@T_90_M_2024
Simo before and after meeting the Soviet sniper's exploding bullet
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@IFFFMEISTER @Ray437677951852 @DrJordanBCooper CFW Walther believed that Baptists and Methodists are closer to the truth and the gospel than Catholics, even though they are memorialists and non-sacramental.
It seems to me that Walther's logic would also apply to Eastern Orthodoxy, perhaps even more so than to Catholicism.
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@Ray437677951852 @DrJordanBCooper Yes you are. Need God is pure memorialist anti sacramental
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Why is Fr. Schooping on a podcast with a guy who thinks Lutherans are heretics to critique EO? We're far closer to the EOC than someone like Ryan from NeedGodnet.
It's one thing to speak to these issues with a Confessional Presbyterian or Anglican, but I don't see the value in discussing these issues with someone who is so far from any sense of sacramental efficacy, historical continuity, or really anything of the Reformation.
Philip Immanuel@1krist1reagerar
This is nice and all, but I honestly think it just makes things worse. No one on the brink of leaving evangelicalism is going to be convinced after watching this. Fr. Schooping — and maybe one other person in this lineup — carries any real weight on the subject. American evangelicals looking into the East do not need to hear “just stick with the Bible, bro” from more evangelicals. They need to hear from people who are actually in a visible church, under a confession, and who have read the Fathers seriously.
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@1krist1reagerar The optics are also pretty bad tbh. A few boomer apologists can't match the energy that the Orthodox have right now.
Of course, one might think that only arguments should matter. Sounds nice, but we live in the real world here.
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This is nice and all, but I honestly think it just makes things worse. No one on the brink of leaving evangelicalism is going to be convinced after watching this.
Fr. Schooping — and maybe one other person in this lineup — carries any real weight on the subject.
American evangelicals looking into the East do not need to hear “just stick with the Bible, bro” from more evangelicals.
They need to hear from people who are actually in a visible church, under a confession, and who have read the Fathers seriously.
Revealed Apologetics@EliAyal17454205
Online Conference hosted on “Revealed Apologetics” coming soon. Dates & Times to be announced 👊
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@Acts17David Many Christians don't like that Mormons preach Christ.
"But it's a different Christ!"
Well, William Lane Craig doesn't preach Christ who is eternally begotten of the Father as the Nicene Christians teach. Does he preach the same Christ as the Nicene Christians?
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The Apostle Paul rejoiced when Christ was preached even by people who despised an Apostle of Jesus Christ.
15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16 The latter do so out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. 18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.
~Philippians 1:15-18
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@JaiNDoC_RL For example, Tony Costa says outright that "real Christians" should evangelize EO and RC Christians because they do not believe in the true saving gospel.
How does this ultimately differ from Jay Dyer's exclusivism?
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Metadi@MetadiMetodi
@Acts17David "Our takeaway is this: do we need to evangelize our Roman Catholic friends? Yes. Do we need to evangelize our friends in the Orthodox Church? Yes because the gospel that they're believing in is not a gospel that saves" - Your guest Dr. Tony Costa youtube.com/watch?v=HqOSjS…
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@JaiNDoC_RL @JaiNDoC_RL Tony Costa (the other man in the video) and your friend Anthony Rogers do not consider RC and EO churches to be true Christian churches, although they may allow some individual members in these churches to be regenerate. Do you believe this is a demonic view?
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Metadi@MetadiMetodi
@Acts17David "Our takeaway is this: do we need to evangelize our Roman Catholic friends? Yes. Do we need to evangelize our friends in the Orthodox Church? Yes because the gospel that they're believing in is not a gospel that saves" - Your guest Dr. Tony Costa youtube.com/watch?v=HqOSjS…
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My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ.”
Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized in my name. (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
~1 Corinthians 1:11-17
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@Acts17David If he's consistent, then he wouldn't consider the Coptic Christians killed by ISIS to be martyrs either, because they weren't part of the true gospel-preaching church (and thus unlikely to have believed the "true gospel").
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@Acts17David I would be genuinely interested to hear @Acts17David if you see this as different from Orthobro's claims that only Orthodox can be saved? Costa doesn't seem to have an issue with exclusivism, he's just a Protestant exclusivist.
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Jay Dyer and Andrew Wilson keep telling us what they think about non-EO Christians. People just don't want to believe it's what they really think.
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@RyanHurst171 "Three days after the foes had gone away Zwingli’s friends came to see if any trace of him was left, and what a miracle! In the midst of the ashes lay his heart whole and undamaged"
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@RyanHurst171 >Made his theology nerd students do physical exercise
>Believed that virtuous pagans are saved
>"Yes, all Christians were wrong before me, so?"
>Died on the battlefield
Patron saint of Chads, ngl
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One of the most effective psyops in history was the Lutherans convincing the reformed that Zwingli sucked.
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@AngAesthetics This is why I am a Molinist.
Middle knowledge? Natural Knowledge? What are you talking about?
I thought we were talking about disciplining slaves.
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Your reminder that just because a learned man said it doesn't mean we don't have to think about it and continually measure ourselves in the light of Christ.
Hence Molina:
"Whether it is lawful to burn slaves with drops [of hot liquid] or with wax, as some masters are accustomed to do, I would not dare to condemn, provided it is done moderately and without danger to life or notable injury to the slave, and when the offense is worthy of so great a punishment, or when the slave is so hardened and incorrigible that necessity points to such a punishment for him, so that, being corrected, he may keep himself within his duty. Nevertheless, masters should always be advised to use milder punishments instead.”
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@TheOtherPaul2 But seriously: Orthodox Christians probably have the least grounds to use this "argument." If we look at who people are most likely to unite against to bash, we could give the crown to either Mormons or low church evangelicals.
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@TheOtherPaul2 It's REALLY curious how Orthodox and Muslims retweet each other when they can bash Protestants. And how both Catholics and Orthodox attack Protestantism - sometimes even in videos made together.
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Papist apologist: Isn't it interesting that the Easterns, Orientals, and Protestants all love to sing kumbaya while trashing us. It's almost like we're the true Church or something.
Oriental apologist: Isn't it interesting that the 6 million Chalcedonian schisms love to sing kumbaya while trashing us. It's almost like we're the true Church or something.
Protestant apologist: Isn't it interesting that the Ecclesialists all love to sing kumbaya while trashing us. It's almost like we're part of the true Church or something.
You guys aren't special.
Benjamin Michael@RealBenMichael
Isn’t it interesting that the Roman Catholic, Oriental Orthodox, and Protestant influencers all love sing kumbaya together while trashing the Orthodox Church. It’s almost like we’re the true Church or something.
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