@Jucktqel @billy45632 @HalcyonHypnotic Dude, do you not understand point and use of the analogy? I am trying to show that your way of thinking is inherently flawed.
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@Muted_Radio @billy45632 @HalcyonHypnotic Notice how you had to change the premise from „people choose to risk themselves in order to try and save those who were going to press blue for one reason or another “ to what you described?
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Blue - Maybe die
Red - nothing happens
“Choose blue because some people are too brain dead to choose red”
> are we serious right now…
MrBeast@MrBeast
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@Jucktqel @billy45632 @HalcyonHypnotic Suppose that there some people who have joined a suicide pact. They came to you and ask for you to join stating that the pact won't come to fruition if we get enough people to join.
Suppose you refused. They start to say you are killing them, Are you at fault for their deaths?
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@Muted_Radio @billy45632 @HalcyonHypnotic And that’s the point there’s only consequences because of the people pressing red, blue doesn’t have inherent consequences as it’s conditional
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@EnderSword @Willibab89 @MarcusNoirelius Getting there; Therefore, while you are deciding there is no danger this then implies to escape press red. Or Press Blue further imprison yourself at the chance of death either by time or by your & estimates others view of human nature. Are you risking your right?
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@Muted_Radio @Willibab89 @MarcusNoirelius That's obviously not the question, but if you're offering the option that people have the option to simply never vote then obviously that's the best choice.
I'd probably argue the time limit is sort of imposed by assuming you can't leave until you vote
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@acidiclemon2 @candlecav @gowronseyes You have overestimated view of the masses at scale. Not everywhere is New Zealand.
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@candlecav @gowronseyes "This is because most ordinary people, faced with the dilemma, will see it simply as"
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Okay, I've gone round-and-round on this, and I'm still a Red-button voter, and here's why.
The situation is this: you are suddenly in a booth, with the buttons in front of you.
You know all 8.3 billion people on earth are voting.
You know at least some will vote each way, including children and mental incompetents for whom it's basically a toss-up.
You have no idea what the outcome will be. All you can do is make a prediction based on what you know of human nature.
My prediction, based on what little I know of human nature, is a majority-Red vote.
This is because most ordinary people, faced with the dilemma, will see it simply as
A - I will definitely live or
B - 50/50 chance I die.
The kind of complex moral calculation you have to make to see the argument behind a Blue vote is simply not going to occur to or persuade the *majority* of *ordinary* people, globally.
Now, if I am *right* about human nature, then a Blue vote, for me, is simply suicide. I die, I save nobody, and whoever of my family is left alive have to face the new world without me.
But if I am *wrong* about human nature, then the Blue vote gets the majority, and nobody dies, including me.
So for me, in that moment, behind that veil of ignorance, knowing that my ONE vote will NOT be the deciding one among countless millions, the ONLY sensible choice - is Red.
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@EnderSword @Willibab89 @MarcusNoirelius People do not understand human group dynamics enough; If a mass casualty event happens we try to stop it from happening again. Which will then cause another baby boom to repopulate due to resource abundance. Sure it will take a few generations to repopulates but it is recoverable
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@EnderSword @Willibab89 @MarcusNoirelius not voting = undecided yet = they have yet to select, there is no specification of time frame. Which means until the push of blue there is no danger. IF red still no danger. Frankly if blue dies, they die. According to you all this wont happen.
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@EnderSword @Willibab89 @MarcusNoirelius Okay, consider I them to be a chaos vote they will fall into 3 categories;
1)Red
2)Blue
3)does not press either (basically red)
Typically these people are call margin of error. We can not reliably predict them by definition. We can for red and blue depending on world view.
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@Muted_Radio @Willibab89 @MarcusNoirelius This misses the real point, like 5%-10% of the population effectively can't communicate or understand the problem to begin with.
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@Willibab89 @MarcusNoirelius Correct; In a high trust society WITH the allowance of communication between participants roughly 30-40% people make the opposite choice of their best interest. X can be consider "mid trust" and repeatedly get 58% blue. So....
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@MarcusNoirelius Even in a high trust society, it would not be 100%.
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@foxfzsd @GameRealist_ @grok If I was more of a power user I probably pay, but I can get the same effect from using another tab.
Overall I saw the "is this True" comments useful but annoying (scale), as it shows that some people are trying to start think. Sure outsourcing but at least they are starting to
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@Muted_Radio @GameRealist_ @grok Tell me about it, I loved it when it first came out, then they put it behind a pay wall.
No thanks.
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Blue: You foolishly believe that an amalgamation of everyone on earth, including third world countries, is a high trust society.
Red: You understand the reality.
MrBeast@MrBeast
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@foxfzsd @GameRealist_ @grok well as far as i know, this is a first for me since i am not one of the "gRoK iS tHiS tRuE" people. The @-ing of grok was a useful tool for quick data retrieval with a caveat of it not giving what you are actually asking.
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@Muted_Radio @GameRealist_ @grok I also laughed because i have asked grok a few times with the same result
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@foxfzsd @GameRealist_ @grok Are you laughing at the use of grok or the fact I'm not paying for premium?
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@foxfzsd @GameRealist_ @grok be brief, what is x's userbase based by country and how many of them are high trust? how does it compare globally?
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@Jingo4754 @abbythelibb_ It sounds like you and your siblings may need to teach the children to be better at recognizing dangers that would result in death.
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@abbythelibb_ I have 6 nieces/nephews below 8 years old who, based on the question, I cannot guide or guarantee press red since its private. Do I press red and hole they do the same, mourning them for not being old enough to understand, or press blue in hopes of keeping them safe?
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If everyone takes responsibility for their own lives and presses the Red Button, NO ONE DIES. But people who would rather feel morally superior to a villain of their own imagination can press Blue, I guess. Their funeral.
MrBeast@MrBeast
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@ObiWanK43252653 @TheManlet_King If you press blue:
1) results in your death if not enough people join you in possibly dying
2) Results in you saving everyone who presses blue if and only if your choice causes the blue % +=50%+1
3) you are hoping enough people before you and after you are willing to risk death.
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@ObiWanK43252653 @TheManlet_King No, your wrong. There are 3 cases since it is a PRIVATE vote:
1) you are the first person to make a choice
2) you are the last person
3) some number of people have made the choice and some number have yet
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So blue button pushers legitimately believe there are already people on the track by default?
Explains a lot.
FwogEnjoyer@doxntme
What is it with red button pushers rewriting the question, like you're presenting an entirely different scenario
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@legomeaker101 @Jucktqel @billy45632 @HalcyonHypnotic This is the same logic that is causing Africa to largely remain a shithole — we are saving them from themselves and from the choices of their societies.
As an aside, I’m pretty sure 90% of this discourse is bots designed to inflame tensions.
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@legomeaker101 @Jucktqel @billy45632 @HalcyonHypnotic You have the right to life, but you do not have the right to demand that others sacrifice themselves to save you from the consequences of your choices. Yes, people will die because of their choices. It sucks.
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