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Doer of the difficult. Champion for talent. Inventor of things. Builder of Machines. North Sea O&G, Nuclear Power, Subsea, Heavy Manufacturing.

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Object Zero@Object_Zero_·
Every 1 kg of uranium contains 950 MW-days of thermal energy if fully fissioned. Commercial reactors today produce 40-60 MW-days from their uranium fuel. This is only 60 / 950 = 6.32% of what is possible in theory. In reality 100% fission isn’t realistic, but there still scope for huge improvements in fuel economy. This isn’t something that has happened because uranium isn’t that scarce and fuel is generally not a big fraction of the costs of a nuclear plant. Natural raw uranium is 0.7% U235 and 99.3% U238, U235 is fissile, U238 is not. When we enrich uranium we increase the U235 content from 0.7% to eg 4% for legacy fuel, or 19.75% for newer HALEU concepts. 20% is the NPT hard limit for civilian use, above 20% is reserved for military use and specifically the Security Council P5 (although 4 other countries have broken this). However, the relative high availability of uranium is exactly the sort of assumption that gets you killed in industrial development competition. If nuclear energy becomes more popular, available uranium will get much tighter. And oceanic uranium will start to become commercially viable. However, very few reactor developers have a coherent strategy to uranium pricing and nuclear energy abundance. A coherent vision on a high adoption nuclear future puts you in a very different design space. This is important. The uranium cost curve is highly non-linear. There is a lot of it in stockpiles, there’s a lot of it in reprocessing, there’s a lot of it in mines. It is relatively cheap. • USA has 700,000 tonnes of depleted Uranium stockpiles. • There is 6 million tonnes of uranium in known uranium mines. • There is 4.5 billion tonnes of uranium dissolved in the world’s oceans at 3 parts per billion. • There is 40 trillion tonnes of uranium in the Earth crust, that leaches into the ocean. If you design for stockpile economics, you must accept stockpile adoption. If you design for oceanic uranium you can assume oceanic uranium adoption. But you cannot muddle these up, that gives you an incoherent design. Fusion is often proposed as the great solution to energy, it allows clean power with no radioactive fuel. However it is very hard for myriad reasons. 10 years ago MIT had a big magnet breakthrough and that created a lot of opportunity for new developments and funding, but the two biggest hurdles remain… i) No working model for burning plasma. ii) No known material (or type of matter) can survive the neutron deletions from fusion levels of neutron flux. Nuclear fusion has 10x the neutron flux for the same thermal output as a fission reactor, plus fusion neutrons have 7x the impact energy of fission neutrons… and fission reactors operate at the limits of neutron damage. These are not small problems. The first is a cracking SHA-256 problem (it’s why ITER is being built), and the second is an unobtanium problem. Fusion still has two Everests to summit. Fission has several big breakthroughs that are readily available without new science, they are engineering. The solutions already exist in the world. They have already been built. Fission and Fast Breed-Burn The ultimate fission reactor would run on uranium 238, this is the non fissile stuff that makes up 99.3% of all natural uranium. The world has 2m tonnes of this stuff lying around, it is the tailings of uranium enrichment. It is priced at negative $50 per kg, because it is a liability to store. We already have fuel cycles that turn fertile U-238 into fissile material. You can transmute the non-fissile uranium into fissile material. We know how to do this, many reactors in the world today are designed to do this. This is mostly an engineering and regulatory problem. It is financable, it is insurable, it is bankable. Further… deployment of civil nuclear energy faces major sociopolitical hurdles, these two can be solved with engineering. There are commercial sites all over the world with 0 resident population in the zone of consequence.
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Object Zero@Object_Zero_·
@AntiMattersWX Well you are wrong. It did not. Who is writing skeletons for tweets? Sounds like more work than just tapping it out.
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Antimatter Matters@AntiMattersWX·
@Object_Zero_ I don’t think it wrote a line in particular, I think it formed the skeleton for this vapid write up.
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Antimatter Matters
Antimatter Matters@AntiMattersWX·
This is one of the first examples of where I would say this post could have been better had he let an LLM write the whole thing rather than attempt to make the GPT-5.5 text sound human.
Object Zero@Object_Zero_

This 100MW data center in UAE is the largest solar powered datacenter in the world. There are currently 1,300 data centers in the world that are bigger than this one, but this one is the largest solar powered one. That’s 10 square kilometres of solar panels you can see. The datacenter itself is 0.02 square kilometres, so a solar powered datacenter is ~500x larger than a data center using any other form of power. A five hundred times larger site. UAE has some of the highest solar irradiance anywhere on Earth, it is an inhospitable desert. Averaging 9.7 hours of sunlight per day with average irradiance above 2,200 kWh/m^2. If you build this somewhere else, you need more solar panels because your irradiance will almost certainly be lower. Even if the world had an infinite supply of free solar panels, solar power will not be free. Anyone who has ever done major capital projects, who looks at where data centers need to be in the next 5 years and the next 10 years… we know it aint solar. Sorry. You struggle to even build a train track that’s 100 miles long and 10ft wide anywhere in the West, there is zero chance of build 100 square mile solar farms for GW compute. This is why people are talking about space compute. Deploying into space is one strategy to solve the constraints. But there are faster and more scalable strategies, that get you to mass deployment of multi GW data centers. There are strategies that also allow you to power the 10 billion robots and their newtonian actuators, that immediately follow the inference demand cycle. Step back and look at the full cycle of this industrial revolution… There will be billions of chips, but there will be trillions of actuators. This biggest part of this revolution is the embodiment cycle, and it’s big by a factor of 20 or 50x over the stuff that comes before it. There is no analogy in human history for the scale of this economy, of the demand it will place on energy and commodities. The humans own the Earth, and if you exist inside their legal system, they won’t let you turn the surface of their planet into glass. But they do want your chips and your actuators to serve their needs and desires. There is a way to do all of this, and so it will happen.

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Object Zero@Object_Zero_·
Big problems require big solutions. 30 years ago this week the Troll-A platform was towed out of Stavangerfjord and 120 miles across the North Sea to its final installation site. It remains the largest object ever moved by humans. It weighed 1.2 million tons It was 1,550 feet tall If you want to build big things, if you have big ambitions, then you build things at sea. This is just obvious. Some of us have experience building and operating submarines, pipelines, platforms, power cables, ships, floating installations, things that people struggle to imagine. We can build things on the seabed, in the water column, on the surface, towering above the surface, even 3 miles below the seabed we build things there too. We have been doing it for a long time. We are good at it. Above a certain scale it is far easier to build and operate things at sea than it is on land. Building on land is slow and bitty and people moan about it, building at sea is big, heavy and fast. Nobody can stop you.
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Object Zero@Object_Zero_·
@Tonynash4Nash “in total the North Sea has around 400 offshore platforms between the UK and Norway” Reading can be hard.
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Tony Nash
Tony Nash@Tonynash4Nash·
@Object_Zero_ A quick search says the U.K. has 280 offshore platforms, so that number's gone down from the 400 number.
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Object Zero@Object_Zero_·
The Forties Pipeline System (FPS) This is the pipeline system that carries most of the oil from the North Sea to the UK. It collects the oil from 85 different North Sea oilfields, and flows around 550,000 barrels of oil per day back to the UK mainland. For context, in total the North Sea has around 400 offshore platforms between the UK and Norway, producing and exporting both oil and gas. FPS is a British oil pipeline system. Exploration drilling for North Sea oil is currently banned on the UK Continental Shelf. It has been since the current government came to power. As a result of the drilling ban, the Forties Pipeline System is currently uninvestable according to its owner INEOS. They haven’t invested in its upkeep for 2 years. INEOS have said the pipeline will close by 2035, but without investment maybe as early as 2030, which is now just 3.5 years away. 550,000 barrels / day is equivalent to 38.96 GW of primary energy. This is 10x more energy than the UK’s new Hinkley Point C nuclear power project, which is projected to cost £48 billion for 3.2GW of electrical power. Electrical energy is joule for joule more valuable than chemical energy, but the comparison of scale is real. 38.9 GW is more energy than the entire National Grid carries. The largest energy system in the UK is not the grid it is this underwater pipeline system. With drilling banned, and the North Sea entering a period of forced closure, the Forties Pipeline System is going to close in the not too distant future. Once the pipeline is no longer economical, the entire Central North Sea oil production will collapse with it. This isn’t something that closes down gracefully, the entire Central North Sea basin reaches market through a single pipe. BP recently announced they are selling up their remaining assets and getting out, Exxon, Chevron, etc are all already long gone. Nobody wants their brand near this collapse. The tax rate is 78%, the government wants this national infrastructure to shut down. It will. The German Chancellor recently called their nuclear fleet closure a “Strategic Blunder”, interesting choice of words. But I think it was obviously a blunder to anyone outside their propaganda bubble. Likewise the UK’s North Sea. The German nuclear fleet averaged 10.3 GW of primary energy output over its operational life, which is around 1/4 the primary energy of the Forties Pipeline System. The UK has a few other pipeline systems but this one is by far the largest and the most critical. Now this infrastructure, isn’t supposed to last forever. But when it goes you should have a plan. In the UK nobody talks about this. It’s taboo. A lot of people think “yeah but they won’t let that happen”… well it happened in Germany, and it happened in Japan. A lot of people want it to happen, and a lot of those people are in politics. So what replaces this? Nothing? Is the UK just going to go silently into the night?
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Zero Emission Scotland
Zero Emission Scotland@ScotlandZero·
Indeed, the FPS is impressive. Using @NSTAuthority production data and @GeolSoc reservoir data (temperature) the increasing energy cost of oil extraction can be calculated (thermodynamics). As of 2022, oil from the UK North Sea took more energy to produce than it contained.
Object Zero@Object_Zero_

The Forties Pipeline System (FPS) This is the pipeline system that carries most of the oil from the North Sea to the UK. It collects the oil from 85 different North Sea oilfields, and flows around 550,000 barrels of oil per day back to the UK mainland. For context, in total the North Sea has around 400 offshore platforms between the UK and Norway, producing and exporting both oil and gas. FPS is a British oil pipeline system. Exploration drilling for North Sea oil is currently banned on the UK Continental Shelf. It has been since the current government came to power. As a result of the drilling ban, the Forties Pipeline System is currently uninvestable according to its owner INEOS. They haven’t invested in its upkeep for 2 years. INEOS have said the pipeline will close by 2035, but without investment maybe as early as 2030, which is now just 3.5 years away. 550,000 barrels / day is equivalent to 38.96 GW of primary energy. This is 10x more energy than the UK’s new Hinkley Point C nuclear power project, which is projected to cost £48 billion for 3.2GW of electrical power. Electrical energy is joule for joule more valuable than chemical energy, but the comparison of scale is real. 38.9 GW is more energy than the entire National Grid carries. The largest energy system in the UK is not the grid it is this underwater pipeline system. With drilling banned, and the North Sea entering a period of forced closure, the Forties Pipeline System is going to close in the not too distant future. Once the pipeline is no longer economical, the entire Central North Sea oil production will collapse with it. This isn’t something that closes down gracefully, the entire Central North Sea basin reaches market through a single pipe. BP recently announced they are selling up their remaining assets and getting out, Exxon, Chevron, etc are all already long gone. Nobody wants their brand near this collapse. The tax rate is 78%, the government wants this national infrastructure to shut down. It will. The German Chancellor recently called their nuclear fleet closure a “Strategic Blunder”, interesting choice of words. But I think it was obviously a blunder to anyone outside their propaganda bubble. Likewise the UK’s North Sea. The German nuclear fleet averaged 10.3 GW of primary energy output over its operational life, which is around 1/4 the primary energy of the Forties Pipeline System. The UK has a few other pipeline systems but this one is by far the largest and the most critical. Now this infrastructure, isn’t supposed to last forever. But when it goes you should have a plan. In the UK nobody talks about this. It’s taboo. A lot of people think “yeah but they won’t let that happen”… well it happened in Germany, and it happened in Japan. A lot of people want it to happen, and a lot of those people are in politics. So what replaces this? Nothing? Is the UK just going to go silently into the night?

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greg@greg16676935420·
@sama Thank you for the kind words
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Sam Altman@sama·
it has been a real pleasure to work with Greg over the past decade. i feel very lucky. this post held up pretty well, but not did not sufficiently highlight his technical brilliance and sheer determination. blog.samaltman.com/greg
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Object Zero
Object Zero@Object_Zero_·
Yeah Readers did, but the community note is factually wrong. This is the much larger solar farm that aims to power 75% of Dubai. The panels in the OP image don’t aim to power 75% of Dubai. And here is the datacenter located at the site. So the community note is very misleading.
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Helpful Community Notes@HelpfulNotes·
Readers added a Community Note to this Post: twitter.com/14715865283129…
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This 100MW data center in UAE is the largest solar powered datacenter in the world. There are currently 1,300 data centers in the world that are bigger than this one, but this one is the largest solar powered one. That’s 10 square kilometres of solar panels you can see. The datacenter itself is 0.02 square kilometres, so a solar powered datacenter is ~500x larger than a data center using any other form of power. A five hundred times larger site. UAE has some of the highest solar irradiance anywhere on Earth, it is an inhospitable desert. Averaging 9.7 hours of sunlight per day with average irradiance above 2,200 kWh/m^2. If you build this somewhere else, you need more solar panels because your irradiance will almost certainly be lower. Even if the world had an infinite supply of free solar panels, solar power will not be free. Anyone who has ever done major capital projects, who looks at where data centers need to be in the next 5 years and the next 10 years… we know it aint solar. Sorry. You struggle to even build a train track that’s 100 miles long and 10ft wide anywhere in the West, there is zero chance of build 100 square mile solar farms for GW compute. This is why people are talking about space compute. Deploying into space is one strategy to solve the constraints. But there are faster and more scalable strategies, that get you to mass deployment of multi GW data centers. There are strategies that also allow you to power the 10 billion robots and their newtonian actuators, that immediately follow the inference demand cycle. Step back and look at the full cycle of this industrial revolution… There will be billions of chips, but there will be trillions of actuators. This biggest part of this revolution is the embodiment cycle, and it’s big by a factor of 20 or 50x over the stuff that comes before it. There is no analogy in human history for the scale of this economy, of the demand it will place on energy and commodities. The humans own the Earth, and if you exist inside their legal system, they won’t let you turn the surface of their planet into glass. But they do want your chips and your actuators to serve their needs and desires. There is a way to do all of this, and so it will happen.

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Craig Lawrence
Craig Lawrence@clawrence·
Seeing this posted and reposted everywhere. What is circled in red on this image is not a data center. It’s a substation. Many higher follower accounts, always getting community noted, but nobody retracting. Sometimes I dislike this place.
Object Zero@Object_Zero_

This 100MW data center in UAE is the largest solar powered datacenter in the world. There are currently 1,300 data centers in the world that are bigger than this one, but this one is the largest solar powered one. That’s 10 square kilometres of solar panels you can see. The datacenter itself is 0.02 square kilometres, so a solar powered datacenter is ~500x larger than a data center using any other form of power. A five hundred times larger site. UAE has some of the highest solar irradiance anywhere on Earth, it is an inhospitable desert. Averaging 9.7 hours of sunlight per day with average irradiance above 2,200 kWh/m^2. If you build this somewhere else, you need more solar panels because your irradiance will almost certainly be lower. Even if the world had an infinite supply of free solar panels, solar power will not be free. Anyone who has ever done major capital projects, who looks at where data centers need to be in the next 5 years and the next 10 years… we know it aint solar. Sorry. You struggle to even build a train track that’s 100 miles long and 10ft wide anywhere in the West, there is zero chance of build 100 square mile solar farms for GW compute. This is why people are talking about space compute. Deploying into space is one strategy to solve the constraints. But there are faster and more scalable strategies, that get you to mass deployment of multi GW data centers. There are strategies that also allow you to power the 10 billion robots and their newtonian actuators, that immediately follow the inference demand cycle. Step back and look at the full cycle of this industrial revolution… There will be billions of chips, but there will be trillions of actuators. This biggest part of this revolution is the embodiment cycle, and it’s big by a factor of 20 or 50x over the stuff that comes before it. There is no analogy in human history for the scale of this economy, of the demand it will place on energy and commodities. The humans own the Earth, and if you exist inside their legal system, they won’t let you turn the surface of their planet into glass. But they do want your chips and your actuators to serve their needs and desires. There is a way to do all of this, and so it will happen.

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Object Zero@Object_Zero_·
That wasn’t my argument at all. My argument was that you can’t get it permitted at the scale necessary for Western data centers. Perhaps the fact that exactly 0 of the 1,200 largest data centers in the world are powered with behind the meter solar farms, is some evidence to the validity of my claim? Perhaps not?
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HYB@HYeahBrother·
@Object_Zero_ Nothing change the fact that you’re arguing against solar for land-use reasons which is indefensible and a sure sign of poor reasoning ability. Solar has its issues in some areas (e.g Northern Europe), but almost never due to lack of land.
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Object Zero@Object_Zero_·
I got community noted, so a couple of important corrections. The data center is not 0.02 square km as I wrongly claimed, it is in fact 0.016031925 square km. I apologise for this rounding inaccuracy. Also, I clipped out the wider solar park that supplies much of the power to Dubai. I felt this confused the point I was making. Which was the 900MW solar park with its 24% capacity factor (216MW), powers the 100MW data center (that’s 100MW of rack load) plus its cooling and HVAC demands in this 50°C plus desert. The ratio of data center to solar panel area is pretty much exactly as shown in the original post. It’s not more than +/- 10% difference. People are wrong to assume a 900MW solar farm provides 900MW of electricity, it does not. It produces a lot less People are also wrong to assume a 100MW data center consumes 100MW of electricity, it does not. It consumes a lot more, especially in a hot desert.
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This 100MW data center in UAE is the largest solar powered datacenter in the world. There are currently 1,300 data centers in the world that are bigger than this one, but this one is the largest solar powered one. That’s 10 square kilometres of solar panels you can see. The datacenter itself is 0.02 square kilometres, so a solar powered datacenter is ~500x larger than a data center using any other form of power. A five hundred times larger site. UAE has some of the highest solar irradiance anywhere on Earth, it is an inhospitable desert. Averaging 9.7 hours of sunlight per day with average irradiance above 2,200 kWh/m^2. If you build this somewhere else, you need more solar panels because your irradiance will almost certainly be lower. Even if the world had an infinite supply of free solar panels, solar power will not be free. Anyone who has ever done major capital projects, who looks at where data centers need to be in the next 5 years and the next 10 years… we know it aint solar. Sorry. You struggle to even build a train track that’s 100 miles long and 10ft wide anywhere in the West, there is zero chance of build 100 square mile solar farms for GW compute. This is why people are talking about space compute. Deploying into space is one strategy to solve the constraints. But there are faster and more scalable strategies, that get you to mass deployment of multi GW data centers. There are strategies that also allow you to power the 10 billion robots and their newtonian actuators, that immediately follow the inference demand cycle. Step back and look at the full cycle of this industrial revolution… There will be billions of chips, but there will be trillions of actuators. This biggest part of this revolution is the embodiment cycle, and it’s big by a factor of 20 or 50x over the stuff that comes before it. There is no analogy in human history for the scale of this economy, of the demand it will place on energy and commodities. The humans own the Earth, and if you exist inside their legal system, they won’t let you turn the surface of their planet into glass. But they do want your chips and your actuators to serve their needs and desires. There is a way to do all of this, and so it will happen.

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Object Zero@Object_Zero_·
This 100MW data center in UAE is the largest solar powered datacenter in the world. There are currently 1,300 data centers in the world that are bigger than this one, but this one is the largest solar powered one. That’s 10 square kilometres of solar panels you can see. The datacenter itself is 0.02 square kilometres, so a solar powered datacenter is ~500x larger than a data center using any other form of power. A five hundred times larger site. UAE has some of the highest solar irradiance anywhere on Earth, it is an inhospitable desert. Averaging 9.7 hours of sunlight per day with average irradiance above 2,200 kWh/m^2. If you build this somewhere else, you need more solar panels because your irradiance will almost certainly be lower. Even if the world had an infinite supply of free solar panels, solar power will not be free. Anyone who has ever done major capital projects, who looks at where data centers need to be in the next 5 years and the next 10 years… we know it aint solar. Sorry. You struggle to even build a train track that’s 100 miles long and 10ft wide anywhere in the West, there is zero chance of build 100 square mile solar farms for GW compute. This is why people are talking about space compute. Deploying into space is one strategy to solve the constraints. But there are faster and more scalable strategies, that get you to mass deployment of multi GW data centers. There are strategies that also allow you to power the 10 billion robots and their newtonian actuators, that immediately follow the inference demand cycle. Step back and look at the full cycle of this industrial revolution… There will be billions of chips, but there will be trillions of actuators. This biggest part of this revolution is the embodiment cycle, and it’s big by a factor of 20 or 50x over the stuff that comes before it. There is no analogy in human history for the scale of this economy, of the demand it will place on energy and commodities. The humans own the Earth, and if you exist inside their legal system, they won’t let you turn the surface of their planet into glass. But they do want your chips and your actuators to serve their needs and desires. There is a way to do all of this, and so it will happen.
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Object Zero@Object_Zero_·
@pronounced_kyle It’s the same industry. It just depends how far upstream / downstream you are.
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Christian Keil@pronounced_kyle·
Which industry do you like best: chips, or chips?
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Object Zero@Object_Zero_·
Excuse me? This is the 5GW array that produces 1,200MW with its 24% capacity factor. The data center site is 1/7th of this area, which is 170MW. A 100MW data center powers 100MW of racks, but it must also power cooling and HVAC, plus have enough redundancy for maintenance. I am not lying, you’re just ignorant / gullible.
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Why lie though? 1- This is a 900 MW project acwapower.com/en/what-we-do/… 2- Where is the info that this only powers a datacenter? The solar farm is connected to the grid, why go through that trouble if no energy is going to be exported 3- Fixed east-west can use 5x less land than this
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Object Zero@Object_Zero_·
This is the full 5GW site, it has a capacity factor of 24% which means it produces about 1,200MW of electricity. The section I show above that supports the data center is 1/7th of the site by area, which is 170MW. A 100MW data center powers 100MW of racks, but it needs more than this to power cooling and HVAC, and redundancy for maintenance. Who told you the data center uses 3% of that solar array?
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Mark Lunn@Mark_A_Lunn·
@Object_Zero_ I’m told that this particular solar farm powers Dubai, and the data center uses roughly 3% of the energy it provides
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Object Zero@Object_Zero_·
@bryan_johnson The year was 2026… … Bryan Johnson accidentally discovered a reversible oral male contraceptive… … and thus ensured the eventual extinction of the human race.
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Bryan Johnson@bryan_johnson·
Magic mushrooms dropped my sperm count 69%. 90 days later, my motile count in top 1% of all males. To our knowledge, this is the first time this has been documented in a human. Here is what we think happened. Sperm cells have tiny receivers on them called 5-HT2A receptors. Psilocybin turns those receivers on for 4-8 hours which causes the sperm to start swimming in wild, frantic patterns way too early. Like a sprinter who runs full speed before the race even starts. They burn out and the test sees them as broken. At the same time, psilocybin spikes your stress hormones cortisol and ACTH and elevates prolactin. High prolactin tells your body to slow down sperm production. So the factory got a pause signal right in the middle of making a batch. Your body makes a completely new batch of sperm every 9-11 weeks. Three months later I retested. Every single number came back better than before taking magic mushrooms. We don't yet know if psilocybin triggered the improvement or if my baseline was already trending up. Either way, these are my best fertility markers ever measured: Total motile count: 411 million Motility: 64% Morphology: 12% Concentration: 212 million Count: 642 million To put these numbers into perspective: the WHO considers a motile count above 42 million as normal, mine is 411 million, nearly 10x. And a normal concentration is 16 million (mL), mine is 212 million (mL). It appears that the factory shut down for one cycle and then rebuilt everything from scratch. After psilocybin, I did 5-MeO-DMT, which doesn't appear to cause the same problem. It clears your body in 1-2 hours which isn’t long enough to trigger the receptor effect. Note: I also did extensive travel including a trip to China, and had 3 weeks of disrupted sleep in December 2025. Both could have nudged my numbers down, but neither explains a 69% drop on their own.
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Object Zero@Object_Zero_·
The maximum theoretical efficiency conversion gain for solar panels turning photons into electrons… = 93.3% Landsberg / 33.7% Shockley-Queisser = + 176% Moore’s Law and computer science will totally destroy this in terms of future gains. So there’s almost 0% chance that PV material science is transformative. It would have to violate the laws of thermodynamics, maybe that happens? But the odds are extremely bad.
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Really? The gap between the 33.7% Shockley-Queisser limit and the 93.3% Landsberg limit also comes down to the concept of bandgaps. So there’s a one time maximum theoretical gain of 176% for solar cells to improve. I suggest this is totally and utterly dwarfed by the untapped gains available in silicon chips and computer science.

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Harsch Reality
Harsch Reality@Harsch_Reality·
@Object_Zero_ @chamath @gustaf Condescend much? I read @chamath question to mean could a new material, which is sooo much more efficient for solar panels be discovered/invented that the 500:1 panel:data footprint implodes to 50:1 or less, changing the future of energy for everyone.
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Object Zero@Object_Zero_·
Really? The gap between the 33.7% Shockley-Queisser limit and the 93.3% Landsberg limit also comes down to the concept of bandgaps. So there’s a one time maximum theoretical gain of 176% for solar cells to improve. I suggest this is totally and utterly dwarfed by the untapped gains available in silicon chips and computer science.
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Ian Dodds
Ian Dodds@IanDodds_·
@Object_Zero_ @chamath @gustaf Are you saying demand for autonomous machines will be 20-50x greater than demand for data centers? On a relative basis.. once autonomous machines are figured out the bottleneck is the mechanical work to build them?
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