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@OfTheArc_ @michaeljknowles Hungary is not the United States. They don’t actually have to care about wars in the Middle East or foreign policy in the Middle East. The EU relationship and corruption are what’s important there and there’s every indication the new government is friendlier to Brussels.
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“The new PM is even more right-wing than Orban!”
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PM Péter Magyar: Gypsy anthem to be performed alongside Hungary’s national anthem at new assembly inauguration
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@MalcadorSigil @michaeljknowles Keep your cortisol levels down.! 😂
The point is that these small issues are inconsequential (DW pushes them though - why is that?), and are distractions from the more important issues (wars and foreign policy in the Middle East, EU relationship).
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@OfTheArc_ @michaeljknowles Buddy, the first fucking thing you did was being Israel into the conversation randomly. A conversation by the way about Hungary, a land locked nation with very little military power or foreign policy presence. Are you retarded?
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@MalcadorSigil @michaeljknowles Lmao, there it is - we’ve come to the point where vaguely supporting the ruling party in Hungary causes DW fans to say you hate the Jews😂
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@OfTheArc_ @michaeljknowles It would be better to simply openly state you hate Jews instead of doing this dancing around the issue.
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@MalcadorSigil @michaeljknowles Foreign policy is very important, especially given the state of the world order now. Yes, more so than how a candidate consolidates power and support (small gestures to minorities, such as this one, included).
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@OfTheArc_ @michaeljknowles It’s fucking Hungary, who gives a shit how they feel about Israel? On the other hand, one of the least conservative things you can do is pander to a minority.
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@MalcadorSigil @michaeljknowles How is singing a song anywhere near as consequential as a candidate’s foreign policy? A very simple way to win the largest minority voting block in Hungary.
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@OfTheArc_ @michaeljknowles Dude, he’s singing the Gypsy National anthem and all you care about is Israel? Are you a fucking Gypsy or are you just retarded?
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Consider the well-known fact about the serpent: to protect its head, it will expose its entire body to an attacker. This single observation floods the meaning of our Lord's command with light, the command that we should be "wise as serpents".
In other words, for the sake of our head, who is Christ, we should willingly offer our bodies to persecutors rather than deny God to save our physical lives, which would destroy the Christian faith within us.
-St. Augustine

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@Beserker64 @DrKwasniewski Who suggested protection as the main reason for the death penalty? The question is how do we implement retribution. This is not an absolute for all times and places - there will be differences, as we see the church now saying that the death penalty is inadmissible in our time.
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@OfTheArc_ @DrKwasniewski His argument was it had always been about retribution, and if we say it was about protection it leads to the conclusion that the teaching has been a form of Catholic utilitarianism. He does say that even if it was the reason, prisons are still bad. But that isn’t main argument
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The death penalty question is back in the air, ever since Leo XIV doubled down on the error of his predecessor.
No, the death penalty is NOT "inadmissible." It is NOT "per se contrary to human dignity and the Gospel."
It is admissible. It is permissible. It is sometimes warranted. It is sometimes even necessary for the preservation of the common good. All this is clear from Scripture, Tradition, and the solemn, perennial Magisterium of the Church. The *only* issue that can be debated is whether it is prudentially right in this or that situation or context.
For a quick overview of why this is the only coherent position a Catholic can take, see the lecture linked here, given in 2019, and the shorter article from 2023.
Of course, the literature is vast; Ed Feser's work is particularly commendable for its careful attention to both argument and authority.
"What Good Is a Changing Catechism"
rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2019/06/what-g…
"The Horns of the Death Penalty Dilemma"
onepeterfive.com/horns-death-pe…
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@Beserker64 @DrKwasniewski No one is saying it’s not about retribution. Obviously it’s retribution to be imprisoned for life. We’re talking about what constitutes a just punishment in different societies today. The Pope, it seems, is saying there are few where the death penalty makes sense.
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@DavidLGray_INFO @DrKwasniewski It doesn’t teach it’s contrary to the Gospel… How are you a Thomistic theologian 😂
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If the Church teaches that it is contrary to the Gospel, it is. You're not the magisterium. Yes, there are some people who need to remain in prison until they fall to natural death, but we were all created the same and have the same calling - to know, love, and serve God. It is not your right to impede a divine right.
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@Beserker64 @DrKwasniewski I recall watching this. Tim’s position was that there is a time and place for the death penalty & that today we don’t have developed enough systems to ban it. Sound reasoning. I was defending Leo’s words though, the OG post was not accurate.
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@OfTheArc_ @DrKwasniewski youtu.be/ajkGWcK5JI8?si…
God’s providence is not so weak that an execution prevents him from saving someone. Saint Thomas Aquinas says it’s more likely to happen, and statistics back it up. 40+% of death row inmates make at least an imperfect act of contrition. Watch this debate.

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@DavidLGray_INFO @DrKwasniewski No, it’s not contrary to the Gospel. There are times and places for the death penalty. In developed societies, that doesn’t seem to be the case. Though the more violent crime we have, the more inclined I am to support harsher punishment across the board.
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@OfTheArc_ @DrKwasniewski It's inadmissable also because it's contrary to the Gospel is the what the development is.
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@Beserker64 @DrKwasniewski It’s about objective moral order and proportionality. The Church is saying the death penalty is currently inadmissible because there are ways to effect retribution (punishment for any crime) while retaining the possibility for repentance.
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@OfTheArc_ @DrKwasniewski Yes, according to the church. Post conciliar popes have only ever critiqued the secondary reason, never the primary reason of retribution.
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@OfTheArc_ @DrKwasniewski The death penalty isn’t about protection, it’s retribution.
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@michaeljknowles You don’t focus on any of the relavent issues. US-Israeli relations are number one, and you dance around it or ignore the issues every single day😂
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