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@ArionLyndon @Ballist_Darney @Dfire8801 Same thing with Albanians having Illyrian continuity. Also the 70-90% comes from a different study claiming Greeks have 90% Ancient Aegean DNA

@PolarisIsGreece @Ballist_Darney @Dfire8801 Yeah, about that, it needs to be clarified.

I recently got my YSEQ WGS back, and these are my results I fall under a very rare Roman era Greek clade (T-CTS3767) with multiple Greek samples downstream, with mine being placed Directly with I7833. These are the Populations I used to compute the PCA (pastebin.com/tLeKvQsh) They were mainly inspired by this paper nature.com/articles/s4156… #SmartPCA #qpAdm #Ancestry #DNA

@orrumbullaku @philosofveritas @IamHellenic @lidhjaelezhes @IllyrianJ2bL283 @iosif_lazaridis No such study has ever existed. Kamenice Iron Age Illyrians studied (The study hasnt come out yet but the haplogroups have been leaked) were R-BY250. Only 1 EIA and 3 LBA Illyrians were R-PF7563. The rest was R-Z29765.

@philosofveritas @PolarisIsGreece @IamHellenic @lidhjaelezhes @IllyrianJ2bL283 @iosif_lazaridis There are 300 cases in Kamenice, South Albania study from Max Planck Institute, still in preprint. Around 100 cases are R-PF7563

Nothing more indigenous Balkan than a contest on who is more native. Under that unerring criterion of Balkan indigeneity there is a clear winner. 👇🏽 @iosif_lazaridis 🧬 The DNA Truth About the "Labeled" Minoans & Mycenaeans Genetic research on the J-Z36829 lineage (part of J-Z36834) reveals the true history of the Balkans: • Minoans & Mycenaeans: Direct hits in ancient samples like Koufonisi 1 & Tiryns 1. • Paeonians: Sample Ohrid 10388 (Iron Age, ~795-567 BCE). • Neolithic: Osijek 5078 (~4357 ybp). The Reality: Modern Greeks claim the history of the so-called and labeled Minoans and Mycenaeans exclusively for themselves. Yet the data shows: Not a single modern Greek falls under this exact lineage today. In stark contrast, 5% of modern Albanians (including families from the Korthpulë and Gjorm regions) carry on this exact ancient line. The DNA proves an unbroken Albanian continuity dating back to a common ancestor around 6850 BCE. While others label history for themselves, genetics proves the Paleo-Balkan roots of the Albanians. #AlbanianDNA #PaleoBalkan #Minoan #Paeonian #AncientDNA #Rrenjet #J2 @HarvardHEB #fyp yfull.com/tree/J-Z36834/

@orrumbullaku @IamHellenic @lidhjaelezhes @philosofveritas @IllyrianJ2bL283 @iosif_lazaridis R-PF7563 is 1.5% in Greeks, 2.4% in Skopjans, 1% in Romanians, 0.8% in Serbians, 0.7% in Bulgarians and so on. Also There is only 1 Illyrian under it and 3 Mycenaeans and 3 Akbari Mycenaeans.

@PolarisIsGreece @IamHellenic @lidhjaelezhes @philosofveritas @IllyrianJ2bL283 @iosif_lazaridis What about the other 12 lines? R-PF7563, Kamenice (Korce) South Albania 3500-2700 years ago, 3% in Albanians, 0% in Greeks, 0% in all Balkans. One of the main lines that brought Indo-European languages in Balkabs

@Vegeta86_ @LordMedaur

@PolarisIsGreece @LordMedaur Hahahahaha in which dream did you see that?

Lazaridis looks at this and be like "wi wuz minoans and sheeit".

@Grapemangotang0 @Dfire8801 I only counted G2 and J2a as Greek mediated because they are both Greek mediated to Albanians. Also what reaches 50% In Outer mani?

@PolarisIsGreece @Dfire8801 Near Eastern paternal lines ≠ Greek ones Albanian Near Eastern auDNA: ~ 25% Mythenean Y-DNA: 0,1% The Greek mainland was mass raped by Albanians, literally reaching up to at least 50% in some places, such as in Outer Mani. Keep lying though, won‘t unrape your ancestors.

@tantricamsha @SeedOilDsrspctr Genetics and science says otherwise

@PolarisIsGreece @SeedOilDsrspctr >Greek Statues and art says otherwise

They could have chosen any random Greek weather girl to be Helen of Troy

@tantricamsha @SeedOilDsrspctr Modern Greeks are whiter than Ancient Greeks.

@PolarisIsGreece @SeedOilDsrspctr >Modern Greeks are mostly middle eastern immigrants with little no gene affiliation with Ancient Greeks

@tantricamsha @SeedOilDsrspctr Genetically there were more Black Ancient Greeks than Blonde ones.

@SeedOilDsrspctr >Ancient Greeks had blondes (significant Nordic mix) >Thats why Troy casting was perfect

@Grapemangotang0 @Dfire8801 Less than 7% of Greek Y-DNA is Albanian/Vlach, about 7% of Albanian Y-DNA is Greek Mediated and the majority of Albanians tested are Ghegs. Tosks have over 13% of Greek mediated Y-DNA(If you add J1 as Greaco-MENA mediated Albanians reach 10% and Tosks reach 19.1%)

@PolarisIsGreece @Dfire8801 Half of your peninsula was brutalised by BVLLbanians, you muğlan son of a whore.

@Ballist_Darney @Dfire8801 👍

@PolarisIsGreece @Dfire8801 I see. Thank you for answering my questions. While I genuinely have still doubt thazt there is not a single match, I’ll to look into it

@Ballist_Darney @Dfire8801 Familytreedna Classical tree is the one that displays Ancient samples.

@PolarisIsGreece @Dfire8801 Is FamilytreeDNA the only one?

@ArionLyndon @Ballist_Darney @Dfire8801 You do realize AI confidently says that Greeks are 70-90% Ancient Greek which is false? Trying to fraud your genetics with AI is the stupidest thing you can do.

@PolarisIsGreece @Ballist_Darney @Dfire8801 "Definetely more Greeks with Mycenaeans than Albanians with Illyrians thats sure 👍. Hell, you people have 0 sub-clade matches with an IA population which is embarrassing." What's embarrassing is what you are yapping.

@ArionLyndon @Ballist_Darney @Dfire8801 J2b in Greeks is 3% and only 3.9% of our E-V13 is migration mediated so in total 6.9% of Greeks carry Albanian/Vlach haplogroups, Meanwhile Tosks(Especially if you look at Gjirokastër) carry majority MENA J1/J-M205(32.2%) and Greek haplogroups G2/J2a(10.7%) and Slavic(28.6%)

@Ballist_Darney @PolarisIsGreece @Dfire8801 As always "greeks" selling fake tests that they have connection to the ancient greeks, when the place was full with Arvanites, Vlachs, Slavs and every other people that came from Byzantium after the population exchange.

@Ballist_Darney @Dfire8801 Go on Familytreedna in Haplogroups common in Illyrians like J2b/R1b, Search for Illyrians and see if there is an Albanian in the same exact clade

@PolarisIsGreece @Dfire8801 As for my last question, how could I search for subclade matches that follow the criteria you mentioned? I mean you didn’t jusz spawn them yourself, you have sources where you can look it up. I’d like to try the same if possible

@Ballist_Darney @Dfire8801 Yes it is. What does that mean? Its a Ancient Greek related Clade which isn't as broad as you showed me before. Also there is no downstream issue. You just gave me really broad Haplogroups in which there is no Sub-Clade specific match.

@PolarisIsGreece @Dfire8801 J-M319 is a subclade of J2a Haplogroup, right? Maybe I’m falsely labelling the subclades as haplogroups, in which case I’d be happy getting corrected. As for the downstream part: Assuming R1b-PF7562 were downstream only amongst Albanians- the only issue would be the match?

@Ballist_Darney @Dfire8801 There is no big issue with downstream only that there is a possibility of the haplogroup being Mediated by a different population. Also i don't understand what you are trying to say with J-M319, i think you haven't understood what a Haplogroup is.

@PolarisIsGreece @Dfire8801 Serious questions: 1. What’s the issue with “downstream” when it’s just new subclades or lines deriving from the older ones (from my understanding rn) and 2. you tell me J-M319 is not downstream and somehow managed to lead to few or some modern Greeks overall having a subclade-

@Ballist_Darney @Dfire8801 these are downstream and they don't even count as continuition because they are really broad Haplogroups and not Highly tested. Only PF7562 can actully count but there are no sub-clade specific matches of Albanians/Illyrians but rather Greeks with Ancient Greeks.

@PolarisIsGreece @Dfire8801 x.com/i/grok/share/6… I searched for some and in a matter of fitting your description of subclade matches and got following 3: • J2b-L283 > Z600/Z638 • R1b-BY611 > Z2705 • R1b-PF7562 My question to you is simply whether or not they qualify and why

@Ballist_Darney @Dfire8801 There are other Populations with sub-clade matches ofcourse but i can't think of many that would have a sub-clade match with a BA group. Albanians dont have any sub-clade matches.

@PolarisIsGreece @Dfire8801 I see- and you tell me that Greeks have that but Albanians don’t? Are there any other populations who have a such match or do not have a such match with native haplogroups?

@Ballist_Darney @Dfire8801 a sub-clade match is to have an Ancient Sample and a modern sample in the exact same clade like this

@PolarisIsGreece @Dfire8801 I see- and speaking of other haplogroups, I have a question to you: how do you define a “subclade” of a Haplogroup of an IA Balkan population? Does it have to be smth limited only to us or how would you describe it?