@jamesey_r @MillThat No, other resource systems exist. Pokemon, Android Netrunner, Flesh and Blood all have other resource systems.
Yugioh just doesn’t have one. The one it did have (normal summoning limit) is vestigial at this point.
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@PorygonRuler @MillThat You're confusing resource systems with mana systems
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Bro non magic players don't know what the fuck is going on with their resource systems and all they want to do is point at magic and say "you have to admit it's flawed'
Does your resource system turn into threats (Mutavault)? Enable splashes (fetches)? Do stupid shiii (bazaar)?
Ryan Effin' Miles@RyanEffinMiles
Nobody thinks Magic's non-games are "worse" than other games, nor are other games "tricking you" - Magic has, demonstrably, more of them. The game was designed in the 90s, its ok to admit they didnt do everything right. They do a great job making it feel less bad, but it's bad.
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@goblinbiker I'll say this whenever non-games get brought up with regard to YGO. YGO doesn't have more Non-games. It is just exceedingly honest about it. In games like MTG alot of non-games happen quietly when one player simply curved out and the other stumbles and never had a real chance.
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infinitely a worse problem in yugioh. non-games are a nightmare and if you introduce a mulligan system to yugioh the game implodes immediately
Saffron Olive@SaffronOlive
Every TCG is going to have non-games. Non-games are the result of variance which is something TCG's need. Some people feel like Magic's non-games are worse because the variance comes from the mana system, so a MTG non-game is "you don't play you cards." In reality this is no more of a non-game than some Hearthstone card doing something random to kill you out of nowhere, but Magic takes more heat for it because it feels worse. It's basically the same concept as how in Commander you can Doom Blade your opponent's commander and it's fine, but if you counter it they get salty. The result is the same, but the Doom Blade gives you the illusion that you were actually making progress and doing something. It tricks you into thinking your decisions mattered, but really they didn't. Non-games in other TCG's do a better job of giving you this illusion, to tricking you into thinking that they aren't really non-games because you are taking game actions and doing things. But really they are the same as getting mana screwed.
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@FieldsSc2 @dias1430 @gearhartpkmn Their design space is constrained by the fact they have to have evolution….
Having to had match the game 1:1 restricted a lot of design.
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The fundamental difference between Pokémon's and MTG's resource systems is that card-draw doesn't require energy, but it does require mana.
If you don't have energy, you can use Supporter cards to find them.
If you don't have mana, you can't use most draw/search effects.
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you guys really went easy on Project Hail Mary. just arrival for retards. interstellar for chuds
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@jamesey_r @MillThat That’s not a resource system lol.
What you’re trying to describe is done better in deckbuilder games like Dominion anyways.
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@RyanEffinMiles As someone who has played multiple card games, you’re just straight up wrong. Of course mana screw feels bad in Magic. But it’s no more a mistake that can be found in any other card game (where it’s usually called “bricking”).
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Nobody thinks Magic's non-games are "worse" than other games, nor are other games "tricking you" - Magic has, demonstrably, more of them.
The game was designed in the 90s, its ok to admit they didnt do everything right. They do a great job making it feel less bad, but it's bad.
Saffron Olive@SaffronOlive
Every TCG is going to have non-games. Non-games are the result of variance which is something TCG's need. Some people feel like Magic's non-games are worse because the variance comes from the mana system, so a MTG non-game is "you don't play you cards." In reality this is no more of a non-game than some Hearthstone card doing something random to kill you out of nowhere, but Magic takes more heat for it because it feels worse. It's basically the same concept as how in Commander you can Doom Blade your opponent's commander and it's fine, but if you counter it they get salty. The result is the same, but the Doom Blade gives you the illusion that you were actually making progress and doing something. It tricks you into thinking your decisions mattered, but really they didn't. Non-games in other TCG's do a better job of giving you this illusion, to tricking you into thinking that they aren't really non-games because you are taking game actions and doing things. But really they are the same as getting mana screwed.
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@dias1430 @gearhartpkmn Of course they need to include evolution because it’s an adaptation from the game but the method they chose has flaws.
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@PorygonRuler @junhagemay It was literally trained on stolen art and articles and are constantly being sued for stealing you're a fucking retard
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アニメの中身を批評するならまだしも、制作方法で制作陣を、責めるのはやめて欲しい。
アニメは面白いかどうか。
それが全て。
AniTV@AniTVOfficial
Wit Studio receives Massive Backlash for allegedly using Generative A.I in 'Ascendance of Bookworm' Season 4 Opening.
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@WinterAlba @junhagemay Every single point in this post is wrong
- AI does not impact the environment
- Nothing is stolen
- It does not only help the wealthy
Get a grip, luddite
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@junhagemay Well the problem is Gen Ai is trained on Stolen Data, and actively ruins the environment, the lives of artists around the world, and opportunities for people to get started in the industry.
Criticising something that only profits the wealthy in the long run is imperitive.
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@RexTyhogi @XZombieSniperX I played Magic for years, nobody ever really brought up Yugioh.
Have you considered that the people you’re talking about were Magic *and* Yugioh players?
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@XZombieSniperX YGO twitter doesn’t even play YGO; they just complain about it
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I never hear YGO players talk about Magic
I hear Magic players INCESSANTLY complain about YGO and other games.
The second you make more than two game actions in a turn you’ll hear “What is this, YGO?” from the random EDH andy
Steven Trifunoski 🔱@TrifGaming
In 20 years of playing yugioh I have not heard even once in my life anyone talk about magic even once 💀💀💀
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@JamesFi47362177 @THEPOKEPLATEAU Didn’t he say a single card should not be over $20.
It’s a shame, he invented rarity for balancing purposes but in the process created market value.
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@THEPOKEPLATEAU Consider that Garfield the creator of the first TCG game ever of which the fundmentals of printing/rarity of ALL TCG has scarcely deviated from at all did not create these to be assets.
Doesn't mean they can't be assets but its not its primary function.
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Ya'll know TCG stands for "trading card GAME", right?
The company wants the GAME to grow. Not your investment in keeping their product sealed/getting an unaffiliated companies opinion on a cards condition.
Them keeping packs $3-$5 since the beginning is on purpose. It's so anyone can get cards and learn to play.
If they liked the scalper community at all, they wouldn't be investing in printing more cards, but they have been.
Opal@opalweb3
@CardGameNomad Let’s all get one thing straight. $10 a pack is not expensive. These cards have been $3-5 per pack since 1999. People will soon awaken and they will be $20+ for even the newer sets
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@DemiMaxWebspace @MBTYuGiOh Yugioh, Pokemon, Netrunner, Flesh and Blood
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@MBTYuGiOh Yugioh is the only game I can think of thats escaped being "magic but different." Every other game I can think of is so clearly rooted in Magic. (I know Yugioh is also rooted in Magic but it's so different now.)
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one of the downsides of mtg being the first (and also the best) big card game is that every subsequent card game falls for Garfield’s Trick: thinking that “mana” must be included in the game at all
motion🐔|✨🐦⬛🎀@Motionstahp
Magic players be like "our mana system is good" when every game since MTG has been trying different ways to get around having to draw lands
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@MBTYuGiOh Good games have resource systems and mana is a perfectly functional one to use.
Hearthstone came out and made a bazillion dollars, they didn’t need to innovate on mana to do that.
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@nokoveve @MBTYuGiOh Yugioh and digimon don’t have mana and are still good
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@AdamAta64 @MBTYuGiOh lightseekers too
but there's a reason you are only getting dead games lol
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@emmywayne64 I mean, Naruto himself didn’t have a father. It makes sense he doesn’t understand what a good father is.
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Of all the Toby Fox discourse, this is the one that really got me.
This is truly the thing that defines the conflict.
People who speak in native english are incapable of understanding what it's like to have most art NOT made for your native language. It's baffling to me.
Typell 🏳️⚧️ WataNare Arc@prototypell
@ConceptHuman My question was not "why do people want to play games in their native language"
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