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@Destiny14011 @ChrisBarry82839 @Zirene @just_kni changing those 3 runes is a 3k dps loss in p8 bis haha

@ChrisBarry82839 @Zirene @just_kni As we already have no aoe or cleave without changing 3 runes, please at least let us do single target dmg with a legendary weapon🥴😓

@Zirene Infusion of Souls seems pretty underwhelming for any caster that is not mage, since it requires you to have 50% haste to benefit from it. I was exited to use it on my spriest but its probably worthless right now.

@Twentyrings @wowclassicdevs I miss getting paid to raid!

@wowclassicdevs Please open transfers again on era realms!

We are looking into a solution that should make Black Lotus more accessible soon on the Anniversary realms. We’ll provide an update once we have more information. Thank you for your continued feedback.

@Zirene @wylderson94 @KawneyEast Melee hunter shouldn't shoot bow when forced into range, got it. Melee hunter is dead to me.

I guess I just don't see the issue because you can still Melee Weave. You will just use the Ranged set to do it, and it's still effective. Melee Weaving is shooting and then weaving in Strikes. The version that was coming out of the melee set was the inverse where you are weaving out to ranged but only during the cooldown window for Trickshooter, then you were in an almost pure melee style. So it was Kill Shot/Trick weaving. If it's easy enough to do, then it dominates the melee style and pushes out melee 2h and melee dw, it basically just becomes Melee Hunter but pressing Kill Shot. We felt that it took a bit away from pure melees in general, but it was okay for Ranged to do Melee weaving and maintain that. So weavers can still Melee weave with the ranged set and it's harder, and has a more complex movement even after your cooldowns are down. But the melee one just felt like you're kill shot spamming and then meleeing. You just played differently during a cooldown window and it seemed too simple for the output increase over the other melee builds to the point we didn't want it to become the premiere way to play Melee Hunter.

@Zirene Why wasn't it communicated that the melee hunter 6p breaks when you perform ranged attacks? Everyone who committed to weaving just threw away all their tokens FOR NOTHING. How will the sod team remedy this? How do I get my tier tokens back...

@Zirene @wylderson94 @KawneyEast Literally just wiped another fun melee hunter build out of existence. Ouch. Another fun build nuked.

@Zirene @wylderson94 @KawneyEast From the skills and notice they are nowhere near the same. I understand your part in it, and I appreciate it, but theres no way i want to play melee hunter if Im being punished to use a shot ability when i need to.

@wowclassicdevs Can you please quit fking over players that play hunter? Can we not have fun? Can we not do damage? Can we not have both melee and range attacks? This change is the most unimaginative and bullshit change I've seen in a video game. I've played SoD since day 1. Done

@AggrendWoW Oh and no one is considering using cobra slayer. I can't wait to see the tier 1 set changes. I hope it still doesn't involve mongoose bite... lol

@AggrendWoW Ok, but what about melee hunter? We didn't see enough tweaking to make it actually relevant. I'm a weave enjoyed, sure, but the philosophy you guys presented with the flanking change is not relevant to it. Flanking will still never be taken by anyone. Weaving is the meta.

We'll have blue posts going up about this in the morning but anyone who is planning to snag bloodstained commendations using Massacre coins should do so now. After the 1.15.3 patch on Tuesday you will not be able to purchase them until they will return to the vendor on Thursday when the phase changes and the level cap increases, at which time they will use the new high level currency and have a new cost (25 copper slaughter coins) If you've been banking massacre coins, make sure to buy as many Bloodstained Commendations as you can right now before 1.15.3 drops on Tuesday (or Weds, depending on region). Also reminder; you need 15 Honorable Kills next week to gain rank the following week (week of Jul 15th). Ranking up always requires actual kills of the other faction, regardless of how much honor you earn via blood moon. Like I said, we've got a blue post coming about this tomorrow but wanted to give those a head's up here as well so they can start spreading the word. Thanks!

@AggrendWoW I appreciate yalls efforts during ptr, the reworks and changes. Melee feels good now, but the way we have to make it do damage does not.

@AggrendWoW Pets are always a dps loss. Cobra strikes could use a "cost no focus" mechanic. BM rune nerfs need to be reverted now that we're at the point of hunter scaling issues. Expose weakness is always a dps gain, due to scaling issues. We have no real mobility. Divine steed! Disengage?

@AggrendWoW But it won't be accessible during some fights. I'm cool with that, but I'd like to be in melee during those encounters. We've been working hard on getting sims to produce something of value for pure melee... it just isn't happening compared to pure range.

@ChicagoBoy2023 @AggrendWoW @realharmen @tg16193429 @tlew360 Or actually make flanking strike good and give it a gap closer. I'm actually really disappointed they haven't given us modern disengage. It's a no brainer. Hit and run is going to be the next invigorate. No one will run it. I'll just keep move speed on my boots.

@AggrendWoW @realharmen @tg16193429 @tlew360 I “feel” like Hunters are going to get rekt in PVP without disengage/harpoon.

@AggrendWoW any updates to Thunderfury sword? Is it going to be same stats and just buff it or we changing stats like hand of rag? Hoping to know soon so guilds can start planning who gets bindings in MC.

@KawneyEast @AggrendWoW @joshcorbettpods Ahh, our lives spent in hunter disc 💚

@AggrendWoW @joshcorbettpods

We locked the SoD class folks in a room and they did some cooking. Really looking forward to getting some of these adjustments and fixes into your hands. To manage expectations, we are going to try and get Hunter, Mage, and Warlock changes into your hands with this week's PTR build (arriving in the next day or so, barring some sort of unforeseen issue like we had last week), with some additional adjustments to other classes coming a bit later in the week likely via hotfixes to PTR. When we get the current slate of adjustments out, then we'll look to turn on world buffs on PTR. To further manage expectations, we don't expect the damage numbers to be in their final state for really any class yet. We are trying to focus on gameplay first and then we'll pull the levers on the numbers after things settle a bit. The WCL graph will probably never be perfectly flat in SoD, and we are okay with that, but we'll focus on addressing outliers next. Please try and keep this in mind and remember that we'll be at tuning the numbers for a good bit after we lock down the lion's share of the mechanical changes. I'll close out this long post by saying thank you for your feedback. While we can't/won't implement every individual idea people throw at us, the benefit of the feedback though is that it helps distill the underlying pain points you may have which in turn helps us try to focus our adjustments on the reasons for the feedback. That's the most valuable part of this and I think we are going to end up in an exciting place going into level 60 content (which is also going to be super cool!). Oh also, you might want to keep an eye on the Warcraft youtube channel this week :)

@Zirene @KawneyEast @AggrendWoW Its fixed on ptr now, so is raptors fury! Thanks.

@Rat3dGnar @KawneyEast @AggrendWoW What is wrong with Wyvern Strike?

Build is being updated on SoD PTR now. While you wait, have some update notes: us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-c…

@Zirene @KawneyEast @AggrendWoW Wyvern strike r3 isn't being refreshed by chimera shot. Speaking on that, though, I really like the feature of no minimum range you guys introduced to kill shot, and would be a cool feature if we had something like that for chimera shot if wyvern strike is meant to a SV melee mec

@RedplazmaOFCL @renato_spelta @AggrendWoW Our dps was nerfed by 40% in the ptr... we still only have 2 buttons... we just press them WAAAAY less. Wing clip spamming even more.

@renato_spelta @AggrendWoW Honestly Melee hunters need a complete gut/rework. Pressing two buttons for insane dps is not good. IMO More effort/complicated rotations = better top end dps

@Zirene @KawneyEast @AggrendWoW Wyvern strike is still bugged, really cool change BTW, but weaving is not going to be accepted in raids, MB's proc rate is garbage, raptors fury is still broken, we still don't have mobility (hit and run SUCKS), and our dungeon set is worse than using range set.

@KawneyEast @AggrendWoW If you have a link to any of the feedback, that would be appreciated. It may be stuff we've already seen, but we were also a bit hands-off with melee hunter this week due to the bugs and because all the other changes we were making in 5 business days (as seen by the list). 1/2

@Zirene @KawneyEast @AggrendWoW Guys. We don't even have a rotation that makes sense. We're still wing Clips spamming and doing half the DPS everyone else is doing. These bug fixes don't change a thing. We really need some sort of change for melee hunter. Hit and run is a garbage rune. Traps don't work for us.