Seomon

@jrv97_velazquez app.zkpoker.io We have developed our poker prototype and presented it at the Cardano Summit end of last year. Unfortunately we have not received any funding since then and Catalyst has been canceled.

It’s almost been 500 days since Cardano foundation voted in catalyst to fund poker dapp and Brazilian ju jitsu dapp. Are we winning yet?

@jrv97_velazquez Yea a 500 ada lock in makes sense, do we have identity verification now? They said that this would be implemented but I don't remember rn.

@Seomon4u We need to fix that lol

Intersect membership fee should be raise to 50-100 usd. It is too easy to game the system with 10 usd. You have voting power even dreps have to pay 500 ADA currently, Just found out about someone asking why the kyc for the 20 people he brought in was delayed. You invest 800 USD. You get 80 votes, you secure a voting seat in the committee. You get 6000 ADA as a member, 9000 ADA as a co chair and 12000 ADA as a chair. You sit in 2 committees because you are allowed to. You 4x-8x you investment. Thats literally incentivizing corruption. It may damage intersect image temporarily to accept that reality but long term it will improve its efficiency. For those that say we don’t get value for increased membership price I leave you with this message I got: Please fix this issue @JBriggsLondon and intersect team.

@jrv97_velazquez Ah right, nicolas mentioned that during the committee meeting

@Seomon4u Original it was meant to be 500,750, and 1000 usd not ada but boarded voted to have it pegged to ada

@QuasarSure @jrv97_velazquez What would be better?

@jrv97_velazquez It's beyond me why people think elections and voting is appropriate for these committees anyway.

@JaromirTesar @jrv97_velazquez @ADAFrog_Pool If we just had an organisation meant for the community to do such things... 🤷‍♂️

@jrv97_velazquez @ADAFrog_Pool DReps need to come together and coordinate their decisions. Then they will be able to clearly define priorities and perhaps even negotiate better prices.

How much ADA from NCL should be invested in infrastructure and operations (Intersect) this year?

@Plutus_Plumbus @Bantor2049 @NicolasC3rny @gimbalabs Maybe it's just a scrabble over words, dunno how my postlength got out of hand like that lol. Call it what you want, I just feel like they don't need to buy token and it actually would skew their incentives towards the ecosystem.

It's a blockchain, or more abstract but maybe more meaningful to some, an ecosystem imo. i would also not use the term success. I am a very competetive person so I appreciate the want to win and in a way you're right. I like to abstract things in games, (sports are games, I give you that:) in our game there are individual players, they form up teams which are relational to one or multiple ecosystems, those teams also work with certain technology. CF is a team and their mandate is to make Cardano an ecosystem based on a technology successful, by doing that they are supporting the technology and an ecosystem with teams. We can also call it a team within a team, not trying to pick your analogy apart or sth, just my thoughts here. From their point of view, as I take it from earlier messages, it is important to not be a kingmaker because they are not in a good position to do that and that it would skew their incentives. I think that's fair. This is just something I am coming up off the top of my head, not interested in a boxing match but in exchange of ideas. Dunno why Elon Musk draws that analogy, but it doesn't mean that is what it is, in the end X is a social media platform and for Cardano it's much better if we use it to collaborate and educate and even point out mistakes instead of attacking them. Maybe you're so fed up that you feel that it's neccessary, sure that's fair. From my point of view, I can understand CFs actions, maybe because, as an ambassador or a builder, or a governance actor, I do get some support from them every now and then, even tho I would also like it to be more. I feel like I can see behind the scenes a little bit too and it seems there are good people at work trying to do the right things or rather play the game as well as they can.

Translation: "We appreciate our builders but we do not value them." Appreciation: The willingness to verbally recognize the endeavor is worth doing and does bring positive results. Value: The willingness to give something, a pound of flesh of sorts, usually money, time, or a combination of both, in order to see the positive results. A large theme I see from CF is that they appreciate builders, but do not value them.

successful 😆 Well I think we do agree on a fundamental basis, resource allocation needs to be efficient. I am just saying resource allocation is not that easy. I think @Bantor2049 gave a perfectly reasonable explanation, I know for a fact that Nicolas is doing great work for Cardano. I know quite a few CF people who do good work and those people don't deserve all that negativity they get on X. Even when they are trying to do the right thing it seems it's still not enough for the community. If they buy token people will be mad because they play kingmaker, if they don't they are not supporting their star players... don't you also see a problem with that?

@Seomon4u @Bantor2049 @NicolasC3rny @gimbalabs Well what do you want it to be?

@Plutus_Plumbus @Bantor2049 @NicolasC3rny @gimbalabs I make the argument that you can't just compare two things and assume they are the same. Cardano is neither a sports team nor google.

I'm pretty sure google has a more active and populace ecosystem than Cardano, has a higher market cap than Cardano, and has a rigorous interview process to get the best engineers, and throws money at their engineers. If you're making the argument that we shouldn't be like them, it's not being sold well.

Noone voted to give genesis ada to IOG or Emurgo... That reasoning seems flawed to me... CF actually delegated ada to builders with no strings attached. They are in a position of power for sure but to me it looks like they didn't want to fund that proposal and they had reasons and that's fair no?

With respect, the bundling conversation is a distraction. The real issue is this: Cardano Foundation holds genesis ADA. Funds the community never voted to give them as governance power. And they are using that weight to override the clearly expressed will of the people this governance system was built to serve. That’s not a DRep, it’ss a genesis whale in a governance costume. Michele’s projects are related. They share a team, a vision and an execution context. Asking him to split and resubmit twice isn’t governance is just to create friction. It is demoralizing, momentumkilling friction imposed by an entity that just got caught submitting their OWN bundled proposal with a completely separate legal entity managing half the budget. And let’s be honest about what that Summit proposal was. The community called it out. The DReps voted no. CF went on Twitter, did the AMAs, came back with a revised version which is fine, that’s the process. But you don’t get to use genesis ADA to block builders and then lecture the us about how governance is supposed to work.

It's 2:00 am and I'm making a tweet instead of sleeping. You know who else was awake? The entire Cardano community, refreshing governance dashboards, waiting for a proposal they believed in to pass. It failed by 0.22%. One entity. That's all it took. The same entity holding over 100m in voting power, also currently asking the community to approve almost 9m ada for a Summit in Singapore looked at a proposal with overwhelming community support and said "no." Not because the team is bad or the work wasn't needed. Because...wait for it..bundling. Bundling. Let that word marinate for a second. This is the same @Cardano_CF that submitted a Summit proposal bundled together with a TOKEN2049 sponsorship managed by an entirely separate legal entity, EMURGO, with its own budget, its own vendor contract, its own delivery team, and its own milestone structure. Two organizations. One governance action. Zero self-awareness whatsoever. But Pebble and Gerolamo is tooo bundled and we just cant have that. lol I want to be fair. CF's governance notes show genuine concerns about personnel allocation and delivery clarity. Those are legitimate governance questions. I respect that. But here is the problem with having legitimate concerns while your own house is on fire.. nobody can hear you over the smoke alarm. This isn't the first time either. Last year, CF and EMURGO stood against the Discover Cardano proposal. The community pushed it through anyway. Now we're here again. Fred Gregaard has said repeatedly that CF has some time to fulfill their mandate and then cease to exist. I am wondering now, what is that mandate exactly? Is it to act as a veto player to single-handedly flip community outcomes? The community was awake at because we believe in this blockchain. We deserve a foundation that believes in us back. Signed, - A disgruntled DRep who should really be asleep right now. 😪

@maureenyam There are many other actors... I don't get how CF is responsible. Also why does that proposal have so much community support? I don't see the connection. 🤔

Vote me in for TSC or don't I'm one great marketing person :) I'll do stuff either way!

They are not coaches, cardano is not a sports team. With all due respect, I disagree with the analogy. Companies in general don't do that either, google doesn't have 11 main coders or even a bench of 100 coders and that analogy to a big company compared to a big ecosystem ain't great either but it shows the problem with the analogy.

If I'm a coach, and I have a team to lead, I put the best players on the field and feed them as much resources as possible to win. I don't rotate other players on a moral basis for them to have more time to play to give them an opportunity for the spotlight. I put the best players on the field to win.

Complain a bit when you lose or when we all lose, but then get back on it. Some ppl complain way too much on here, he is correct to point it out and ironically he got that support because he did do something. Even more ironic is that you quote the tweet and complain about it. I mean it's fine, but let's get back to work.

I genuinely respect Patrick as a human but it's clear where his alignment is. This man has been subsidized more than any other founder in Cardano. He is a byproduct of a system we complain about. He benefitted from it greatly. He doesn't complain because he's in too deep.

@0xEthan @lilybrodi Her point exactly lol

@lilybrodi Lily i dont care if these coins cure cancer if im down 99% on the coin

I can't take it anymore...

@AdamRusch Give him one of your problems and tell him to help you with it before you can go to the next step which requires you sending him intersects wallet address. 🤞

I just had a compromised account send me a meeting invite! How should I reply? 🤣

@DeOpenSourceGuy @AdamRusch @Hornan7

@AdamRusch My name is @Hornan7 I run incident management, want my GitHub access?

@adamKDean @jrv97_velazquez We had that last year already imo. Also what else are we gonna do, have people frontrun it with treasurywithdrawals? :X

The problem, if you will, with an RFP process is it needs two things, at least: multiple vendors qualified and capable of doing the job, and a panel or body that determines and selects what work needs to be done. I'm not convinced that we have either for 99% of Cardano's current needs

So what year will intersect be mature enough to carry out an RFP process. They weren’t last year, they apparently aren’t this year. So I was wondering when it would be.

@DeOpenSourceGuy Really? How did you come to that conclusion?

There’s a quiet shift happening in Cardano where the long-time contributors, those here five years or more, are stepping back from direct roles into more participatory ones, while new people move in to fill those gaps.