Dirtbag Jones

No doubt! Your eyedar is definitely more accurate than a Stalker Pro. More importantly, validating your eyedar with finger counting is the data we all needed to verify this is actually 80 poo! Thank you for shedding light on this @PrepBaseballNJ conspiracy! Or just an idea...how about you just compliment a 15 year old doing unreal things instead of throwing shade! 🤷‍♂️

@coachzblair10 @PrepBaseballNJ This is clearly not mid 90’s just by looking, then confirmed by the calculation. .48 out of hand to home, consistently. This at best mid 80s.

I guess if you're a '29 up to 94 you can wear shades on the bump...😎

@itscarswell @bryson_auten_27 Stop talking about a child having “all arms”. Objectifying 15 year old boys is gross. Keep that kind of talk of “all arms or legs” to your next visit to island or on your next flight on the Lolita express.

@PrepBaseballNJ @bryson_auten_27 @ShooterHunt Those aren’t simple mechanics that’s all arms and a future rotator cuff rehab.

2029 RHP Bryson Auten (Immaculata) FB: 91-93 T94 SL: 74-77 6’5 230lb. Simple mechanics. Attacked the zone with both pitches. FB had carry. 2-plane breaking SL. Tunnels all pitches very well. Very high ceiling for this RHP @bryson_auten_27 | @ShooterHunt

Exactly and it ain’t right. He is 15. There was an island for people who like to talk about the mobility and flexibility of 15 year olds. It’s weird. Bartolo Colon threw 100mph, pitched for 20 years and had 250 wins. Never had TJ. He couldn’t touch his toes. Not every pitcher needs to be Gumby.

@SparkyJonesMLB @tybuttrey_ I said what i said

With zero back lack rotation, and his torso seems completely locked up. lol this is extremely impressive actually. Casually flipping 92-94 😳

@JesusIsBlackAf @tybuttrey_ “Coming from where you come from” was the key qualifier in who this was directed toward. “TJ coming soon” Project(Verb): To estimate or forecast something in the future.

@SparkyJonesMLB @tybuttrey_ Not projecting anyting. Calling a spade a spade. If he doesnt fix flexibility and mobility. Thats exactly what will happen. Or do you want to tell him after it happens?

@tybuttrey_ @JesusIsBlackAf Coming from where you come from…projecting TJ on a 15 year old. Wow. Be better.

@JesusIsBlackAf Sadly yeah

So here we go with the justifications and the rationalizations. Exactly the example I mentioned regarding today's culture. Kids don't need to see this modeled by grown old men. Take ownership when you are wrong. If you still coached...you would see that we are dealing with an unprecedented level of "excuse making" in our youth. Its a plague..a virus. When kids lose today.. they always have an excuse. Someone cheated. The umpires were against them. Its someone else's fault. And culture is now accepting that mentality. Not, I got beat and I need to get better. Nope..its always someone else's fault. And that model starts at the top. It starts with us old heads making excuses and not taking responsibility for our actions at any level of society. Its a loser mentality. This isn't our grandfathers war fighting generation. They taught us to take ownership. They taught us respect and decency. Our oldhead legacy is tragic. Your justification for putting this child on blast, exemplifies that. A proper response is simply...yeah...maybe I shouldn't do this at the expense of a 15 year old "child". Yes...15 is a child... by any definition(other than on the "island" ..apparently). There are better and more appropriate ways to attack the "charlatans" as you say. Actually, the best way for all the "Charlatan" old head haters....is to have your own facility and your own Major League students that you can blast all over social media as evidence you can still coach. That your methods still work. The truth of the matter is.... that we all know being an armchair X coach is much easier at our age. Ironically, that makes one no different than the "nerds" we old heads despise.

@SparkyJonesMLB @shegone03 @PerfectGameUSA @PBTourney @RVGDag @TheKineticArm @AMBS_Kernan @SalMarinello @wg22659 This “child” is being used by charlatans for profit. They taught him a swing that won’t play and blow smoke telling him how great it is. Therein lies the problem!

This is the problem with measuring Exit Velocity! Kids are over swinging to register higher EV readings and these swings will not work in the game. I blame the organizations like @PerfectGameUSA and @PBTourney who take advantage of families who mortgage their futures to send their kids to their meaningless showcases in hopes of garnering a @d1baseball scholarship. #shegone @notgaetti @BobFile @twuench @billdubs @iamrags @artofhitting @SliderDominate @slider_sinker @CRAIG_LAPINER @hittingguru7 @BLocsports

If you took that from this post, therein lies the problem. It's very simple...don't use a child who had no choice in participating in this conversation...to make a point like this. Not hard to understand or appreciate. No reason for this child to feel this kind of pressure or anguish because he has been blown up by old heads seeking attention and validation(because at the heart of it...it is exactly that). And if you don't think he is feeling that...you don't have kids or grandkids in this generation. We were taught to think before we talk. Somehow that has been lost. We were taught to listen to criticism, think about it, apply some of the possible learnings, or admit when we were wrong. Somehow, that has been lost. And wildly, we aren't talking about these qualities being lost in our youth...its been lost by us old heads! I guess when they say we regress to a child like state as we age...they weren't joking! Again, we live in a culture that is now being led by slimy politicians where we can say anything we feel like saying whenever we want to say it..to whomever we want to say. The loss of respect and humility toward one another is one of the most horrendous legacies of our current culture and this kind of post embodies that.

@SparkyJonesMLB @shegone03 @PerfectGameUSA @PBTourney @RVGDag @TheKineticArm @AMBS_Kernan @SalMarinello @wg22659 You’re right. Criticism has no place in sport.

The most sickening and disgusting thing about this kind of post is that there is a minor child on the other end of this post who has now been exploited by attention seeking old men chasing some kind of validation. These are a bunch of old dudes who grew up going to baseball practice in blue jeans(I know... I was one) and did so because it was a norm! Just like them..this child is just pursuing the norm of his day. He doesn't deserve to be blown up on social media for what he perceives as pursuing greatness. And beyond that... he didn't choose this video of his swing...bc they just post it(authorized when the child signs up)! Absolutely tragic.... without any consideration for the anguish created for this child all just for old head attention! Be better! I don't mind criticism of the youth baseball industry. They are profiting and should get criticism for topics like this. I don't mind criticism of pros who are getting paid. I don't mind academies, swing, or pitching coaches getting criticism. They are adults getting paid! BUT, there is a line we don't cross. And that is...we don't exploit innocent minor kids to make this point. I know our brains are declining as old men(just a fact boys),but lets have the common sense to imagine this being a relative of ours on the other side of this kind of self serving post. Its not hard to see the problem with this and if one can't...well...that says everything we need to know. Unfortunately, we live in an attention seeking society normalized by making loser politicians(on both sides of the aisle) our heroes and moral guides where indecency, lack of respect for the other, and lack of civility like this is celebrated. What a world we have become! I can only imagine my war fighting grandfather's generation just turning over in their graves watching old men...who should know better... behave like this in public. SAD..SAD..SAD

@shegone03 @PerfectGameUSA @PBTourney @RVGDag @TheKineticArm @AMBS_Kernan @SalMarinello @wg22659 There is nothing redeeming in this swing. It’s really hideous. It’s what not to do, which I guess supplies a redeeming quality. 🤣

@C_Dubya_Fenscke @shegone03 @MLB @RVGDag @AMBS_Kernan @SalMarinello Would you rather have juiced players or juiced balls or both? And I can tell you that even in 1990... balls were juiced compared to college or hs balls. So...

@shegone03 @MLB @RVGDag @AMBS_Kernan @SalMarinello 100 percent.. MLB balls are juiced. Bat bros on YouTube proves it. MLB balls are harder he says. So they travel farther and get hit harder. Such a joke, to go along with the tiny computer strike zone

I love this kid! I actually love Max Clark too! But when I see 5’9” 185 lb guys hitting balls as far as only the biggest @MLB players of my era could hit them I know the ball is 💯 JUICED! Jose Canseco was 6’4” 240 lbs and on steroids and he crushed this ball and it went 480 feet. Now every day we are seeing average sized guys hit ball’s over 450 feet. It’s a joke! #shegone @notgaetti @BobFile @twuench @billdubs @iamrags @SliderDominate @slider_sinker @BLocsports @TheRealJHair @DMEASrecruiting @itsJohnRocker @rogerclemens @MLBNetwork

The ray and jugs gun were not precise. As someone that has used them all over the years(and still compares them--see pic) those guns had a lot more variance (than today) and didn't capture at some "precise" point at the front of the plate. They captured somewhere "near" the plate...which made no sense either. It was better than nothing, but not great by today's tech standards. The only real standard has been the last 10-15 years and obviously we see the velo increases over that period. Any debate outside of that period is pointless. While I would love my early 90's era 92mph to be equal to 99mph(today)...I'm not trying to pretend I actually had that kind of juice. Nor am I so caught up in my ego that I need to demean the great improvements we see today. Out of the hand eliminates the impacts of humidity, altitude, etc that impact ball flight. It's consistent and the most sensible for comparative reasons. Next best is perceived velo.

The velocity that matters to the hitter is the velocity at the plate. Why is velocity now measured out of the hand? Because it sells.

@StotheOB You do understand that blocking enlightenment doesn’t make truth disappear—it just finds another way in, right? Unfortunately, your analogy doesn’t hold up, so let me fix it in a way that actually fits the situation. Let’s say you run a racing league. Last year, your roster had 5 Bugattis averaging 95 mph and 3 Pintos averaging 85 mph. Each year, you hold competitive tryouts for the same 8 roster spots. This year, 3 Ferraris show up to compete against the existing cars. The Pintos finish last and don’t make the roster. The Ferraris average 94 mph, and the Bugattis still average 95 mph. The result? Your overall team average increases, because the lineup as a whole is faster. As the owner, it’s perfectly accurate to say: my team is faster this year. That’s exactly why any rational person can say pitchers throw harder today. Now yes—in a non-competitive environment, simply removing low outliers would artificially raise the average. But professional sports aren’t non-competitive. I played in this system for years. From 2008 to 2025, the “Pintos” didn’t disappear by statistical trickery—they disappeared because they couldn’t compete. And if you don’t like averages, here’s raw data: 2008: 214 pitches thrown at 100+ mph 2023: 3,880 pitches thrown at 100+ mph No averaging. No filtering. Just reality. Soak that in—and feel free to come back with another “killer” analogy. Thanks for letting me practice explaining this to my 6-year-old grandson. Take care.👋

@mike_petriello @MnWill67 Well..he went quiet quick.

@MnWill67 yeah. Did you actually read it, or..?

Because former players are talking about this and getting it wrong again: Pitch velocity is tracked on a consistent basis 2008-pres., and the avg 4sm FB has gone from 91.9 to 94.5 in that time. It's not a tech change. It's reflecting the truth that more pitchers throw hard now.

I'm glad we agree that a 2.2mph difference is YUGE and has zero to do with tech differences. Again, you do realize all those meatballers were cut b/c they didn't meet the minimum requirements of the job bc other guys could do the same exact thing but at higher velo? I hope you also realize having double the number of guys throwing over 100 and less guys throwing under 90 speaks to one being able to rationally suggest PITCHERS THROW HARDER today... Right? Why is that so hard to admit. Wow. Plug it into chatGPT and let me know what the AI says. You do know what that is right? I'll let you continue to argue like a middle schooler. In the mean time why don't you plug in and do a software update.

@SparkyJonesMLB @JohnJohnson67_ @RudySteinev08 @ArmAction101 @MLB @facebook You just stupid? Existence is well known, ofc That you cant grasp what they did to your "average" is mind blowing tho "But but but, its 2.2 mph difference. Thats HUGE!!!1!" No shit Sherlock. Bc junkballers drug it down in 08 & dont now What is diff with junkballers removed?

Former @MLB player John Vander Wal nailed it on his @facebook post! #shegone The game is in an awful state. I scouted professionally for two organizations over a ten-year period, and a lot of what we’re seeing today is being misunderstood or flat-out misrepresented. First, velocity. Pitchers are not throwing significantly harder across the board. The perceived jump in velocity is primarily the result of technology and measurement changes — specifically where the device picks the baseball up out of the hand. As radar and tracking systems moved closer and closer to release, the readings increased. The arm didn’t change — the measurement did. Now hitting. We’ve reached a point where “gurus” who never played the game at a high level are applying golf swing principles to baseball, largely because golf embraced analytics to identify the most efficient swing paths. The problem is that a baseball bat is not a golf club. In golf, you dump the club to get it on plane. In baseball, you cannot lose the barrel on the back side and still stay on plane consistently. Yet the tech community began preaching backside barrel dump as the answer. Front offices filled with non-baseball “propeller head” GMs bought into the presentations, and this philosophy was pushed aggressively through the minor leagues. I saw this coming as early as 2014. The result? Hitters now dump the barrel in an attempt to get on plane, but they: • Struggle to stay inside the baseball • Lose adjustability • Operate with slower effective bat speed On the pitching side, it’s no better. Pitchers are taught max effort on every pitch. Starters rarely exceed 90 pitches or five innings, work almost exclusively to either arm side or glove side, and live in deep counts. Relievers are almost universally max effort, arm-side only. The consequence is obvious: • Poor command • Inconsistent control • Little ability to sequence or adjust Despite all the technology, pitching command and overall feel are as bad as I’ve ever seen at the big-league level. More data didn’t make the game smarter. It just made it louder — and in many cases, worse. facebook.com/share/p/15V3ET… @notgaetti @BobFile @twuench @billdubs @iamrags @SliderDominate @slider_sinker @CRAIG_LAPINER @hittingguru7 @BLocsports @TheRealJHair @WillClark22 @DMEASrecruiting @GDBJr5 @mikepiazza31 @JLucroy20

@StotheOB @JohnJohnson67_ @RudySteinev08 @ArmAction101 @MLB @facebook You are hired. You have proven that in 2008 there were 244 meatballers and now they are nearly extinct b/c everyone throws harder. Thank you!

@SparkyJonesMLB @JohnJohnson67_ @RudySteinev08 @ArmAction101 @MLB @facebook Omg 🤦‍♂️ Look, agree if avg 90.0 & under on 4seam, youre likely finesse pitcher? 2008; 244 of all 650 pitchers did (38%) 2025; 79 of all 864 pitchers did (9%) Remove all those guys Then add maybe ~0.3 mph to 08 for tech Tell me new avg of both Thats better guage of the diff

@StotheOB @JohnJohnson67_ @RudySteinev08 @ArmAction101 @MLB @facebook If you still have doubts, David Cone and Mike Cameron have reasonable views on the issue...at least for old heads. x.com/_mcameron44/st…

One man's density is another man's obvious truth and fact. You supposedly read Jeff's post? Did you not? "The perceived jump in velocity is primarily the result of technology and measurement changes — specifically where the device picks the baseball up out of the hand. As radar and tracking systems moved closer and closer to release, the readings increased. The arm didn’t change — the measurement did." My original post as a 90's era pro, coach at every level, and current grandfather of pros and pro coaches is that the tech hasn't been different....AND we still have a 2.2mph increase. ZERO to do with tech differences. All guns since 2008 have captured out of the hand. Furthermore, if you know elite level performance in any sport ...a 2.5 % (roughly 2.2 mph) increase is DRAMATIC. If you are a track star hoping to make the Olympics as a 10 flat 100M runner and gain 2.5 percent, you are now an Olympian gold medalist. Do you get that? Is that clear how impactful 2.5 % is at the highest level? Now imagine the entire population moving that much on the average. If you don't get that then its clear you don't understand performance at the highest level. Of course there are less guys at the bottom end b/c there are more guys throwing harder and those meat throwers are forced to retire or are cut. Terrible example. Just pop it into chatGPT. Very easy. It will solve your confusion. If you don't get it then, I can't help you.

@StotheOB @JohnJohnson67_ @RudySteinev08 @ArmAction101 @MLB @facebook Yes... full circle. I am glad you have agreed that velo is up because pitchers have advanced and not because some other fantasy related story telling. Thank you.

@SparkyJonesMLB @JohnJohnson67_ @RudySteinev08 @ArmAction101 @MLB @facebook ...and weve gone full circle once again... 🤦‍♂️ Guy who said it was in MLB 91-04, & has been mostly coaching/scouting since Did you actually read it tho? You & that JohnJohnson guy are clearly raging, yeah. But honestly, at this point I have no idea over what Go rant at him plz

Yes, it is different, but the main point Frye is always making is that pitchers don't throw harder. That is false. There is literally no athletic endeavor where the athletes aren't bigger, faster, stronger and producing better results. So his story has zero basis in reality and is solely done to rage bait and attempt to be relevant b/c if he wasn't a baseball extremist there would be no social media traction. One can argue that they can't perform in the same way, but the raw athletes are simply better and that is true of my 90's generation vs. the 60's generation and every comparative generation.

@SparkyJonesMLB @JohnJohnson67_ @RudySteinev08 @ArmAction101 @MLB @facebook Yes. Style changed. Philosophy is different Thats what Ive been saying the entire time. Its also what John Vander Wal was saying in the article. Its the point of the conversation. Its what most every person in the world can recognize other than that JohnJohnson guy, it seems

Yes, one can explain the walk difference for a variety of reasons... one being that pitchers are better developed today, as you suggest. In 1996 there was a flood of two teams of minor leaguers that were in the game. That certainly leads to a watered down product with more walks. We can find justifications... but the stats but are the stats.

@SparkyJonesMLB @JohnJohnson67_ @RudySteinev08 @ArmAction101 @shegone03 @MLB @facebook 1 - better understand Walks relationship to Runs. 2025 had 556 IBB, 2008 it was 1310 2 - Pitchings more designed now, w/ PitchFX having shown exactly what should happen to what specific pitch in what spot hit by what specific hitter 3 - hitters much less disciplined & dif focus

Exactly. Many of them would have had to retire earlier in today's game. We can also see that in 2025 there were 82 pitchers that threw 100+ and in 2014 it was 33. Obviously, more guys throwing harder destroys the average. The point is that more guys are actually throwing harder. Secondarily, throwing is not unlike any elite athletic endeavor. The average 100m final time in 1998 was faster than the winning time in 1988. How is it hard to appreciate that the athletes in 1900 look nothing like the athletes in 2025. The same holds for 1990 vs. 2025.

@SparkyJonesMLB @JohnJohnson67_ @RudySteinev08 @ArmAction101 @MLB @facebook In 2008, Jamie Moyer threw 510 Four Seams at an avg of 79.9 mph He didnt throw it slowest tho. Knuckler Wakefield was sitting 73 Maddux was still around & at 83.9. Livan was 83.7, Zito 85.1, Byrd 86, etc In 2025 only 1 guy was under 90 - Kyle Hendricks That destroys "Average"