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Roe overturned. Hallelujah. Thanks be to God. One of the greatest days in our country's history. A greater sin than even than chattel slavery, and it killed more people. Praised be Jesus Christ.

@Majormadd @leahtrell @EListCath @ShamelessPopery Perhaps, a simile might help: As someone who also served, just Air reserve, nothing as significant as you, consider your NATOPS. If you were in a unit who habitually skipped something mandatory in them, that would not make it not a mandatory item.

@TSburnside3 @leahtrell @EListCath @ShamelessPopery “Was he really "raised Catholic"? Or just Catholic-ish vibes?” Yeah, calling me a liar is an insult. Well aware of the plenary indulgence. That is a long way from active Bible instruction and downright encouragement to not read the Bible.

Plenty of smart Protestants go to (Protestant) seminary and are confirmed in their views. Plenty of smart Catholics go to seminary and are confirmed in our views. Neither of these facts is surprising or particularly persuasive. But there are also many smart and seemingly holy, devout Protestants who study theology and Church history and they realize they have to become Catholic. This happens with enough frequency that entire books have been written about the phenomenon, as well as collections of testimonies. I personally know several former Protestant pastors who are now Catholic. I don't know of anysmart and seemingly holy, devout Catholics who study theology and Church history and realized they needed to become Protestant. To be clear, I know plenty of former Catholics (most of them now non-religious, some of them now Protestant), but invariably they didn't know or believe Catholic teaching even *before* they left the Church, and most will tell you that. I think this should be cause for reflection on both sides. On the one hand, there's clearly a problem within Catholicism of not forming the next generation well enough (this is improving, but there's a lot of work to do). And I think if I was a Protestant I would be alarmed by the fact that the more people look at the evidence, the more likely they are to conclude that Protestantism is false and Catholicism is true.

@Majormadd @leahtrell @EListCath @ShamelessPopery Oh, and again, a person in your life saying something that the actual CHURCH doesn't say does not make that Catholic teaching or practice. Judas said things. In the actual Bible. Doesn't make it the teachings of Christ. And he's called out for it by John. Mistakes, sadly, happen.

@Majormadd @leahtrell @EListCath @ShamelessPopery Didn't say you were a liar. Just that your characterization is misleading to the listener. For that to be a lie you would have to *intend* to mislead. I don't think you mean to do that at all.

@Majormadd @leahtrell @EListCath @ShamelessPopery The Rosary IS a Bible study. OMG. It's literally a meditation on Christ's life, death, and resurrection. The novenas are for things like Christmas (!), meditation on Christ's Divine Mercy (!) Novena to the Holy Spirit before Pentecost. Ur proving you haven't though this thru.

For all listening in on this conversation, which is seen more from posting Catholics? Encouragement or instances of family rosaries or encouragements or instances of family Bible studies? Push that out to Catholic churches, how many rosaries/novenas vice Bible studies are conducted? Growing up in several different Catholic churches through high school (we moved alot due to my dad’s jobs) I attended and participated in very many novenas and rosaries but no Bible studies - none were offered. From my experience since leaving Rome, the protestant churches I have attended, large or small, all had very active Bible studies in the churches and at homes. Adult and kids. Vacation Bible schools are a staple.

@kneezdutz @conservmillen Most supposedly gun nuts don't know f*** all about guns. Can a rifle bullet fragment? Yup. At those speeds especially if it yawed and keyholes on entry, wild stuff can happen. All of the conspiracy theories are totally ridiculous until proven otherwise. Especially the ballistics.

I have no problem admitting that part of me wants* there to be a conspiracy and that it can definitely make me bias regarding the case. As long as right wing gun nuts (who we would expect to believe the narrative of a pro trans shooter ) remain unconvinced of the ballistics explanations based on their own experience, I’m keeping an open mind. To defend Robinson in not being involved at this point would require a bit more of an elaborate conspiracy in evidence and data processing, which while we shouldn’t put it past intelligence agencies, is only speculation. The device used to read metadata from the phone for example was critiqued as Israeli tech, which is true, it is manufactured there, but this carries a heavy burden of proof. And the paving over the scene? I mean sure ask questions but it is a blood stained biohazard. That one didn’t stick for me. If I were to be more honest and scrutinize the more spectacular shit, I have more legitimate questions than whether it was an exploding mic or whatever- I’m skeptical that Lance Twigs was not involved, and there were some haunting posts prior to the incident implying foreknowledge of the plot that we still know nothing about. I’m also trying to understand the “limp” we see in the video, explained by injury from jumping off the roof or hiding the rifle in his pants, he does switch sides between shots in the parking garage, are any of these clips coming out of the court flipped or??

The evidence against Robinson was overwhelming and virtually uncontested by the defense. I know the conspiracy theories were a fun true crime hobby, but it’s time for everyone to come home. Reality awaits you. And, if you’re one of those who used these theories to applaud the torment of a widow, may God have mercy on you.

@Majormadd @leahtrell @EListCath @ShamelessPopery Sir, that's not an insult. If there is a statement from the magisterium to read the Bible, backed with a plenary indulgence, and a Jesuit of any stripe teaches you the opposite, only one of them is the magisterium. So no, you weren't given a proper Catholic upbringing, sadly.

So, resort to insult - calling me a liar or dismissing my experience. Baptized, First Confession and First Communion, Confirmation, Marriage by a priest. Faithful mass attendance even after serving as a Latin Mass Altar boy. Learn a little history and find out that in the 50, 60s, 70s Bible reading was actively discouraged among Catholics - it was down right proverbial. When I did pick up begin reading our family Bible, my Jesuit trained father (Xavier College in Cincinnati) and my cousin, who was studying for the priesthood, told me not to read the Bible but to rather study philosophy. I have my father's religion books from Xavier and their main focus is philosophy. So, can you only do ad hominems or can you actually discuss an issue?

@dutchcaesar @WalmartThomist @TheFactChecka Are you seriously arguing for racial discrimination by **group***? If there are and of course there are significant difference in intellect between persons, why would you not just hold yourself to making distinctions based off of persons? How would that not be the best?

To the question of whether I am a "white supremacist," I adhere wholly and without reserve to the 1938 magisterial syllabus of the Sacred Congregation of seminaries and universities approved by Pope Pius XI titled 'Instructio de Racismi Erroribus.'

@Yamadagonbe4649 @nise_yoshimi Trump is obviously dumber, and more vapid, but even if I'm inclined to say he's more prideful, Obama's statements were something else: e.g. Obama saying his presidency would be remembered as "when the ocean stopped rising and our planet began to heal." Like the Trump Jesus meme.

@nise_yoshimi American politics became remarkably more childish and performative after trump

its a very narratively appropriate thing that the moment of American decline was initiated by a president whose entire social moment is based around vicious contempt for that one time the country enacted a black president. Tupac was right

@Yamadagonbe4649 @nise_yoshimi You write that Obama was a smart-ass, I'm sure recognizing the massive cult of personality about him, often snarky and rude comments, obviously the first meme president, and you think things became performative under Trump?! They're the same ego.

@FeserEdward God bless you. He already has, but I'm praying so much more. After her baptism may she grow exceedingly in the faith to awe your mind and even put you to shame in holiness. As a father of many, I know how humbling this just be. So very very happy for you.

I'm a grandfather!

@leahtrell @EListCath @ShamelessPopery @Majormadd He does indeed have a terrible understanding of Catholic teaching. He has a D-R Bible that was never opened? There is a STANDING plenary indulgence for reading the Bible with your family frequently. Was he really "raised Catholic"? Or just Catholic-ish vibes?

He does not have an outrageous misunderstand of Catholic teaching. Did you even read what he said? He was raised Catholic. Then he says, “Earned a PhD and went on to become an associate Bible professor at a major seminary. Plenty of church history courses and papers along the way. The more I research and study the faster and more firm becomes my journey away from the teachings of Rome and deeper into the teachings of the LORD that are found in his Word.” If he was raised Catholic and has studied church history and written papers and he is on a PhD level then he knows Catholicism. Y’all are unwilling to admit that people who deeply study scripture do actually leave for Protestantism. It is WILD to compare leaving the faith for atheism to leaving Catholicism for Protestantism. Very telling of your skewed beliefs.

@kjrose This guy is an Old Catholic, (I can't even remember if their orders are valid). I'm not sure his ideas about unity and yours have much of a relationship.

This misses the point. The question was not merely whether SSPX could use more bishops. The question was whether SSPX accepts that Rome has authority to approve or refuse those bishops. If the Society’s position is “approve our candidates or we proceed anyway,” then this is not a pastoral scheduling problem. It is a jurisdiction problem. Care of souls cannot mean rewarding a parallel authority for acting like Rome’s permission is optional.

@hibernianjester @atarimoe fsspx.org/en/letter-futu… "The See of Peter and the posts of authority in Rome being occupied by anti-Christs, the destruction of the Kingdom of Our Lord is being rapidly carried out" - Archbishop Lefebrve before the original consecrations, including bishops - Fellay, Galaretta

@atarimoe the sspx is in union with st peter what nasty things has the sspx said about the clergy and laity of the NO vatican? can you cite an official sspx statement that is objectively insulting or "nasty", as you put it?

the reactions to the sspx consecrations by the canons regular of st john cantius have been so petty, catty, and passive aggressive and i used to attend this very parish for their 62 tlm. so disappointing.

@kpman47858230 @seanrcallaghan @Counteredlogos My apologies if I misrepresented you. People have been saying the SSPX actions are ok because no one has been disciplining (publicly) the Chinese ordinations. Obviously this pains the Church and Leo as well. Can you clarify your point so I can understand it better please?

@TSburnside3 @seanrcallaghan @Counteredlogos That was not my argument.

The impression I get is that this prediction (two days ago), has been proven wrong. There's an important point here. Nothing more successfully disproves theological liberalism than solid, continuity-focused, faithful and obedient Catholicism.

@SaltyPalamite @Redivivus144 @immc_official @DrKwasniewski I want to be on record that I don't like throwing pejoratives at all. This is in the family and doesn't lead to unity. Yeah, "It's just Twitter" but I know we'll answer for our words. I am confident remaining sub Petro, esp. considering Florence. But I love my Ortho brethren.

People sure are jumping the gun in their assumption about how EVERYONE connected in any way with the SSPX is now EXCOMMUNICATED and IN SCHISM. One would think the internet is swarming with wannabe inquisitors who can't wait to let their inner Torquemada out! In any case, it looks like Card. Fernandez bungled his effort (again). If you adopt a legal point of view, neither the priests of the SSPX nor the laity who attend their chapels are subject to excommunication. I shared the two articles that (so far) have appeared on this question with several high-profile canon lawyers—one of them the judicial vicar of a major archdiocese!—and they all said the analyses were essentially correct (see links below). One of them wrote to me: «What another canonical mess they've made. I had hopes that, with Leo having a degree in the law, we'd at least get some sanity and consistency, but no. As you've seen, the excommunications, at least of the priests and especially of the lay faithful, are not binding. In their haste to jump on the situation, they've made it worse than before. Certainly, the lay faithful who attend Mass at an SSPX chapel, even ordinarily, are not under any censure whatsoever simply for that fact. They are not schismatic, they need no "rite" or process to return to full communion, having never left it. Kennedy Hall's analysis seems quite sound and reliable to me. Perhaps it's best that the Vatican is being run by mental midgets, else they would have sewn things up in a more disastrous way. Instead, they've given us a net with more holes than Peter's fishing nets on the shores of Galilee.» meretradition.substack.com/p/the-formula-… infovaticana.com/en/2026/07/02/…

@utahagen @EricRSammons Is it? You don't think it would be normal to have affection for someone I pray for in every mass, pray for in my rosary, and whom the Church in teaching after teaching encourages "filial affection". P. Francis was extremely hard to like & yet: the "Frociaggine" event... hilarious

"Within the court of Catholic opinion..." According to Pew Research, 20% of Americans Catholics attend Mass every week. (I think 10% is more accurate.) The 80% who don't go to Mass don't care what anybody says about the Pope. Among the 20% who do go to Mass, how many are sentimental enough about Pope Leo - or about any Pope - to be offended that someone called Pope Leo a "bad father"? This treacly stuff about the Pope being our "Papa" is foreign to most Catholics in 2026.

Within the SSPX bubble this statement will seem brave and prophetic, but in the court of Catholic opinion, accusing Leo of being a bad father won’t sit well. I know not everything is PR, but these aren’t the words of a group that wants to reconcile. fsspx.news/en/news/letter…

@BarfieldMeow @Dr_zato317 @DrKwasniewski Leo never said any such thing. I'm going to assume you're just trying mistaken and misled. No way you would intentionally lie like that.

@Dr_zato317 @DrKwasniewski How unsynodal of you. Francis added 21 coptic schismatics to the Catholic saint-rolls. Leo says Catholics, Muslims, Orthos and Prots are in spiritual communion. The teaching example given by Rome is that it doesn't matter.

@Louis52068605 @PetriOP Kind sir, their founder stated the see of Rome was under the anti-Christ. That isn't even acknowledgement. That's just pure opposition.

@PetriOP You are in error. They are not Sedevecantists who say the seat is empty since Pius XII. The SSPX has acknowledged every Pope as Pope. As clergy, you do not seem to know your stuff about the SSPX.

Imagine telling the Holy Father—the supreme pastor of the Church with all authority—that his declaration that you have been excommunicated because of schism is invalid and unjust. Thinking that’s a fine response, and that nothing will ever change. At the same time insisting you are preserving the Church (as you believe it to be by your own authority in dismissing anything after Pius XII) and that one day either this pope or another will thank you for it.

@EdieSki123 @dlongenecker1 @shagbark_hick I don't think you can square Vatican I and papal writing on obedience with their actions. Goodness, reading the Church Fathers on obedience would make them lose their minds. Irenaeus equated obedience to your bishop to obedience to Christ if I'm not mistaken

@dlongenecker1 @shagbark_hick I think it is more about their wholesale acceptance of the Faith taught for two millennium prior to Vatican II. Their love for the Depisit of Faith is undeniable to me. Why does Vatican II supersede all the preceding Councils?

I think this is the thing that caused me to start to wonder about the SSPX when I was attending a few of their priories. I'd bring up going to the Diocesan TLM and people would stiffen up. Never understood why. Finally someone said: "if they offer the Novus Ordo Mass there, we shouldn't be going to their TLM." I heard numerous people echo this idea. Of course this seemed stupid to me. Isn't it a GOOD thing if the TLM is spreading in popularity in the broader Church? Isn't the TLM the TLM anywhere where it is licitly offered? Isn't it all about the Latin Mass, and not just about the Society? The answer was apparently "no," and nobody was ever keen on explaining why. This struck me as totally unreasonable and vaguely culty -- and certainly contrary to the universal, global, cosmopolitan reality of what it means to be a part of the Catholic Church. The notion that everybody outside the Society is wayward, darkened, and lost -- **even if they are offering and attending the traditional Latin Mass** -- is just totally crazy.