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@Craig_Truglia @ErickYbarra3 Regardless of what constitutes an Ecumenical Council, the system utilized by the RCC is that of what is or is not part of the Magisterium of the RCC, clearly Constantinople 879 is as binding as Vatican II, it affirms the RCCs then constant teaching and binding on future Popes.

@kensiderations @crean_fr @JeffCassman What do you call it then when someone is prohibited from communion?

@TheNarrowGate37 @crean_fr @JeffCassman You're taking something with a specific definition in the Catholic Church--ecclesiastical censure--and expanding its meaning too broadly. Feel free to question why Catholics don't receive Holy Communion as babies; just don't call it excommunication for shock value.

Why shouldn't Rome allow the SSPX to criticise the novus ordo, even severely? It's not part of the deposit of faith or something transmitted from the apostles; it's something the pope had made in the 60's. Why the defensiveness, why the big stick? Discuss it freely like men.

@kensiderations @crean_fr @JeffCassman Like Rome “excommunicates” the SSPX- what does it matter they supposedly have no ability to stop them from making the Eucharist. Nor apparently to stop a Satanic ExPriest from doing the same. Apparently one doesn’t need to be part of the Church to confect Sacraments.

@kensiderations @crean_fr @JeffCassman Because right Rome replaced Christ with the Pope. Look at the early Church the idea of Excommunication was reference to not sharing in Communion which meant being One with Christ. Cutting innocent infants off as such is just one of the twisted errors of Papism.

Pretty sure they don’t answer any questions other than “is the Church in Crisis” “is there a state of necessity to justify this”? They have no other apologetic. If this was a true movement of God they could make a positive case for why the Faithful should commune with them, but in reality it’s “don’t Commune” with the Novus Ordo— meanwhile SSPX claims to be in Communion with Rome which means the Novus Ordo.

One of the bishops to be consecrated by the SSPX was asked by a donor whether he could assure him that his donations would NOT go toward lawyers defending priest sexual predators. Fr. Michel de Sivry could not answer. CATHOLIC NEWS ROUNDUP: youtube.com/watch?v=mnM1U_…

@kensiderations @crean_fr @JeffCassman What do you think it means? Is it not about Christ in the Eucharist?

@TheNarrowGate37 @crean_fr @JeffCassman Interesting take but that is not what excommunication means.

@kensiderations @crean_fr @JeffCassman Franco-Latin Catholics do. They purport to Baptize them and then they are refused Communion for years.

@TheNarrowGate37 @crean_fr @JeffCassman Who excommunicates infants?

@WhyLeftSSPX Sedevacantism is not the solution. Everything you are discerning actually demonstrates the error of Papism. The Orthodox Church has had this error identified for a millennium, and in its history for one never has “Protestant” revolt nor need for ongoing reformations.

If, according to the SSPX, true popes can "favor", "sign", and "promote" heresies, as well as "persecute the faithful that want to keep the Faith", what is the point of having a Pope? Why did Our Lord want to give us His Vicar? What the R&R position defenders are missing is that by spreading/repeating these insane claims about true popes they are defaming Our Lord Himself! With this false idea, how can we expect Protestants and nations still under the darkness of paganism to convert to the True Faith? #SedeVacante #FightForTheChurch #UnamSanctam unamsanctam.org/home ✅

@AngloVarangian It was unfortunately very very bad. They one thing they did well was making sure the bad language seemed real to gang and inner city culture. It lacked the redemptive arc it needed. It maybe helped however make some people in the black community aware of Orthodoxy as a religion.

I notice nobody talks about Yelena Popovic and 50 Cent's Moses The Black movie anymore. Which tells me it was a really bad movie and as my friends told me. Doesn't actually follow the Life of St. Moses the way promoters of the movie said it would. I never heard anyone even acknowledge the movie outside of Orthodox circles.

@Defensofidei That Catholicism started around 1004 at the time the Pope unilaterally, against the teachings and discipline of our Popes and multiple ecumenical councils, added the word Filioque to the Creed.

Catholic to Catholic: What’s the most surprising or eye-opening thing you’ve learned about Catholicism as an adult (whether you’re in the Church, left it, or never been part of it)? Drop your thoughts — good, bad, or indifferent.

@StephenKokx Serious Question: What is the positive position of the SSPX vis-a-vis any other religion? Why should someone outside of Catholicism convert to an SSPX style operation? SSPX is Catholicism without a Pope.

Why is it so important for the SSPX to have the approval of a Modernist heretic for these consecrations? It is scandalous to seek his imprimatur.

You don’t understand because you don’t even understand what salvation is to begin with. Is it not communion? Is it not union? Is it not to be purified, to be illumined, to be, like Christ? Is it not to be healed? Or should we go with a legalistic, moralistic, philosophical and speculative idea of salvation or one that’s determined by my Will and my decision alone. We can call it salvation by acceptance alone. On the rational plane.. But then, the demons tremble and believe, don’t they? What do we do with that?

@ErickYbarra3 Have you verified the accuracy of this quote? There seems to be no English Translation to support this. From what I can find there is no English translation readily available.

This does not seem to come easy to contemporary Orthodox. Or Catholics for that matter.

@FreeIrishman7 Filioque.

@FreeIrishman7 Definitely not. They don’t even say the same Creed.

TLM part time lover, Burke gives out communion in the hand at the Novus Ordo. These people do not believe as the Church has always believed.

It’s close to true. it’s more that it’s that the Orthodox are correct. The Papal Supremacy doctrine, Infant Excommunication, and the Filioque etc… are errors that separates Rome from the Church. At the time of the Great Schism, 4/5ths of the Church was not on board with the Popenof Romes unilateral changes against actual magesterial teaching of that time.

I guess if the SSPX aren’t fully Catholic, then I guess my parents and grandparents and the rest of my family before 1969 weren’t either.

From an Orthodox standpoint this highlights the problem with Roman Catholicism. You need more than The Way, more than Christ for your healing and therefore salvation. The Church is one and the same as Christ. The Papacy is a man made add-on to that Church.

@AmericanReform_ This isn’t Dogmatic.

CONDEMNED (1864 Syllabus of Errors, Pope Pius IX) Prop. 78 - “Hence it has been wisely decided by law, in some Catholic countries, that persons coming to reside therein shall enjoy the public exercise of their own peculiar worship.” Prop. 79 - “Moreover, it is false that the civil liberty of every form of worship, and the full power, given to all, of overtly and publicly manifesting any opinions whatsoever and thoughts, conduce more easily to corrupt the morals and minds of the people, and to propagate the pest of indifferentism.” PROFESSED “The State cannot claim authority, direct or indirect, over a person’s religious convictions. It cannot arrogate to itself the right to impose or to impede the profession or public practice of religion by a person or a community. In this matter, it is the duty of civil authorities to ensure that the rights of individuals and communities are equally respected, and at the same time it is their duty to safeguard proper public order. Even in cases where the State grants a special juridical position to a particular religion, there is a duty to ensure that the right to freedom of conscience is legally recognized and effectively respected for all citizens, and also for foreigners living in the country even temporarily for reasons of employment and the like.” - John Paul II, 1988 “World Day of Peace” Speech

He is. He has Latin Catholics seek after communion with a man, replacing Communion with the Man-God. This double communion requirement of Roman Catholicism is the Devils Coup de Gras. This was not always the way. Holy Orthodoxy - never had this “feature”. Romes problems today are borne of its 1000 years of innovating against the Church Christ founded.

The Devil Is Cunning Despite not liking it, Rome recognizes that the Traditional Latin Mass attracts many young Catholics, families, and vocations, while at the same time treating the SSPX as a threat, despite the Society preserving the liturgy, catechism, priestly identity, and doctrinal seriousness that largely disappeared from many dioceses after Vatican II. A cunning solution seems possible, and Trad Inc. circles are betting on it: permit wider celebrations of the Tridentine Mass under diocesan control while simultaneously punishing or marginalizing the SSPX. Such a move would attempt to separate Catholics attached to tradition from the very priests and bishops who resisted the modernist revolution when almost the entire ecclesiastical structure surrendered to it. This would not resolve the crisis, because the crisis is not merely liturgical. Vatican II introduced ambiguities regarding ecumenism, religious liberty, collegiality, and the Church’s relationship with the modern world. The destruction of Catholic discipline, the collapse of doctrine, empty seminaries, moral scandals, and liturgical chaos followed afterward. The Latin Mass became a symbol of resistance precisely because it safeguarded the theology and spirit of Catholic tradition. Thus, an eventual attempt to “integrate” the Tridentine Mass into diocesan structures while condemning the SSPX would amount to a dangerous half-measure: offering incense while preserving the doctrinal confusion that devastated the Church for decades. A beautiful liturgy cannot indefinitely coexist with modernist theology without tension. The true restoration of the Church requires more than liturgical concessions. It requires a return to doctrinal clarity, Catholic discipline, reverence, and the perennial teachings guarded by the Catholic Church before the conciliar revolution. Otherwise, such concessions risk becoming merely tactical gestures designed to domesticate tradition while neutralizing its resistance.

@kev__313 @cebolinha_frio @JmyLss @Ken47188750 He called his work “straw” and Rome built its house on it.

@TheNarrowGate37 @cebolinha_frio @JmyLss @Ken47188750 It doesn’t follow that he “disowned” his prior works in virtue of having a mystical experience. You need an argument for that in a premise-conclusion format with a formalized natural deduction system with a set of rules of inferences to support that.

“St. Thomas did not reconcile Christ to Aristotle; he reconciled Aristotle to Christ.” - G.K. Chesterton