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Just uploaded to the History for Atheists channel, my long awaited interview with Prof. Bart Ehrman on Jesus Mythicism.
youtube.com/watch?v=aKP_Yk…
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Tim O'Neill
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Tim O'Neill
@TimONeill007
History writer, medievalist, blogger, atheist, sceptic and expatriate Tasmanian. https://t.co/bsQB7o1C3Q
Sydney, New South Wales Katılım Mayıs 2012
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@ImJohnDaugherty ... Far from being "suppressed", her story has been retold and repurposed from the time of her death onwards. And it's been used to push various agendas, including the silly fictions in the video above. See below for the actual history:-
historyforatheists.com/2020/07/the-gr…
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@ImJohnDaugherty There is absolutely no evidence at all that she was "connected to the Library of Alexandria", largely because it had ceased to exist a century before she was born. Nor was she "killed for teaching men". Her death was political and did not mark any end to Classical learning. ...
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In the 4th century, Hypatia stood as a beacon of ancient history in Alexandria, lecturing on mathematics, astronomy, and philosophy. She was one of the last influential philosophers connected to the Library of Alexandria.✨
#ancientwisdom #ancienthistory #womeninhistory
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@Naxalt_Revenge @DPGBehler Grok? 🤣 Gosh. As usual with LLMs, it's all about the prompt. And the tool. Let's try a better tool and a more carefully constructed prompt. Here's Perplexity on the matter, since you like LLMs:
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Claiming Jesus didn’t exist is a fringe belief even among secular historians.
Harry Margulies@Askwhyisit
Jesus didn’t exist. Even if he did, he didn’t perform any miracles.
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@intothefuture45 The OP is making a wry comment on current affairs.
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@TimONeill007 Is this for me or the OP? If for me, would be genuinely interested to hear your take for where I'm wrong. Big fan of your work!
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Tell me you've not read past Dune without telling me (what OP describes ends up with hundreds of billions dead or subjugated in a religious war with Paul as messiah figure forging a new galactice empire around himself).
Carl Zha@CarlZha
I can't get over the fact that Dune is about an oppressed people fighting for their homeland, waging a jihad to bring down a hegemonic empire by threatening to cut off the flow of their most precious commodity after the empire had assassinated their religious leader's father.
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@jhn_stanbridge @DPGBehler I can see several elements in what Paul refers to that are also found in the gospels. You said “no reference”. So, you were wrong.
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@TimONeill007 @DPGBehler Thank you for confirming my point. The gospels were successive embellishments which expanded on Paul's writings
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@HanoverFiste101 @DPGBehler No, none is the answer. None.
And the opinion I mentioned is that of the people actually in the field. Not a ranting blogger and an eccentric grandpa raving at the edge of it. Time to ignore you. Mute.
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@TimONeill007 @DPGBehler You claimed “none” and are now redefining your claim and inserting your opinion.
And you’re also wrong.
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@fuckyourbs1 @robin_raymond @DPGBehler " ... anyone with a brain doesn't actually consider most figures in history before 1100 AD to be real"
Okay, either you're an idiot or a troll or maybe both. Whatever else you are, you're now blocked for being a boneheaded waste of time.
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@robin_raymond @TimONeill007 @DPGBehler You don't understand the concept of beyond a reasonable doubt at all. And yes, anyone with a brain doesn't actually consider most figures in history before 1100 AD to be real
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@TimONeill007 @DPGBehler And so, the default position is that jesus didn't exist.
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@HanoverFiste101 @DPGBehler None of those people argue what you claimed. And they’re not exactly cutting edge leaders in any relevant field, particularly Price and Carrier, who are regarded as strange nobodies if anyone notices them at all.
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@fuckyourbs1 @DPGBehler Yes. You keep making this basic category error as though it’s some profound point.
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@TimONeill007 @DPGBehler "Most likely" in other words, no proof.
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@HanoverFiste101 @DPGBehler You gave a total of zero current scholars who argue what originally claimed.
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@TimONeill007 @DPGBehler You falsely claimed that no historian argues the “composite” idea. Now you’re saying they didn’t or they aren’t relevant. This is inaccurate and dishonest.
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@HanoverFiste101 @DPGBehler So what Price argues isn’t what you said. Ditto Thompson. Neither claim Jesus was made up of figures from the first century. This is not a current idea and has never been a viable and coherent thesis.
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@TimONeill007 @DPGBehler Price argued that gospels are literary compositions that blend mythic hero archetypes with a potential historical Jesus.
Thompson suggested that the Jesus of NT is a composite figure.
Long dead doesn’t make the others irrelevant.
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@fuckyourbs1 @DPGBehler As I said, historians don’t do “proof”. People who like “proof” should avoid history and stick to the sciences. History is about assessment of likelihood. Here, it’s most likely a historical Jesus existed. This is why virtually all scholars hold that rational position.
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@TimONeill007 @DPGBehler And there is no proof that most ancient figures existed lmao, you're proving my point. What an idiot you are
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@HanoverFiste101 @DPGBehler Price and Thompson don’t argue what you claim. Carrier does sort of, but has other primary ideas about the mythic origin of the figure.
The others you mention are all long dead and irrelevant to any current discussion.
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@TimONeill007 @DPGBehler Contemporary?
Robert Price, Richard Carrier, Thomas L Thompson, Arthur Drews
Earlier historians like Bruno Bauer, John Mackinnon Robertson, and William Benjamin Smith also concluded this
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@fuckyourbs1 @DPGBehler Yes. As is pretty normal for most ancient figures and absolutely normal for Jewish preachers from this period like Jesus. So, as expected. Your point?
historyforatheists.com/2018/05/jesus-…
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@TranshumanCyst @DPGBehler I responded to you on the only question raised by the OP. But now I think I’ll ignore you completely.
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@TimONeill007 @DPGBehler Bro, you were the first one to respond in this thread between us. You weren't responding to OP, you responded to me. All you have to do is decide this conversation isn't worth it. You have no right to determine what people respond to OP with, only The OP has that right.
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@TranshumanCyst @DPGBehler Then feel free to go have a conversation with yourself about those other questions. If you’re going to keep replying to *me*, stick to the issue *I’m* addressing. You know - the one in the OP above.
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@TimONeill007 @DPGBehler No one has any obligations to limit what they are questioning in a Twitter thread. This isn't a historical doctoral thesis that is merely limited to merely whether or not Jesus existed. It centered around that question, but it inherently invites inquiry into adjacent questions.
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@TranshumanCyst @DPGBehler There is only one question under discussion here: did exist?
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@TimONeill007 @DPGBehler ...genuinely a supernatural entity?" is a sub-question of 2. It is only distinct in specificity regarding what is being asked about that which applies to question 2, it isn't distinct because it isn't asking about things mutually exclusive to question 2.
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@TranshumanCyst @DPGBehler I said *distinct*, not “separate”. You have ranged across three distinct and different questions. The only one at issue here is the first: did he exist? The most parsimonious answer is “yes”.
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@TimONeill007 @DPGBehler That isn't separate at all: an account of someone's life by definition encompasses the nature of their experiences and capacities over their lifetime, which includes answers as to whether any of them were genuinely supernatural in description.
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